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<blockquote data-quote="Dannager" data-source="post: 5466974" data-attributes="member: 73683"><p>Who never thought it would happen?</p><p></p><p>As it's been made clear to you already, D&D has a long history of branching out into other mediums. The D&D brand is no stranger to cards, and it is no stranger to board games.</p><p></p><p>Pretending that those things are new developments which herald the END TIMES is either ignorance, delusion, or outright trolling.</p><p></p><p></p><p>D&D is not using cards like MtG. If you think that's the case, you're not paying attention, or you're willfully pushing a flawed, inflammatory viewpoint on others (which, frankly, is a pretty awful thing to do).</p><p></p><p></p><p>I've got some difficult news for you. You might want to sit down.</p><p></p><p><strong>D&D's base was <em>always</em> the Mountain Dew/WoW crowd.</strong></p><p></p><p>A <em>huge</em> number of WoW players are D&D players, and played D&D for just as long as you have. And really, have you never heard the classic Dead Alewives skit involving Mountain Dew?</p><p></p><p>The portion of D&D's customer base that is made up of highly vocal, entitled, pretentious, crazy-conservative fans who see innovation as dumbing-down is - and always has been - pretty small by comparison.</p><p></p><p></p><p>This is something that is often referred to as "concern trolling".</p><p></p><p></p><p>You first fill out a form, atop which is scrawled in massive script, "Death Warrant of the D&D Hobby". Like any other form of entertainment, companies looking to make a profit are part of the package necessary to drive them forward. Without companies to innovate and push boundaries in the interest of increasing penetration and revenue, hobbies stagnate, wither, and die.</p><p></p><p></p><p>Right, so you want D&D to be managed by people without them looking to make a profit, and you want it to not fail miserably. Can't have both, I'm afraid.</p><p></p><p></p><p>No, you're not. You're seeing <em>things</em>, and because you <em>want</em> to be seeing signs that D&D is failing, or doing poorly under WotC, or because you want to believe that D&D is some pure creation that, if altered, will collapse in on itself, and that you <em>and only you</em> are capable of raising the alarm to protect the virgin game from mishandling, these <em>things</em> that you are seeing are suddenly interpreted in the way that makes them fit most snugly into your mental framework for where D&D is headed.</p><p></p><p></p><p>I promise you, no one at WotC or Hasbro believes that this will ever be the case. Stop spouting nonsense like this. Making $Blizzard with D&D is not the goal, for anyone.</p><p></p><p></p><p>No, they didn't. First, Paizo is hardly a rookie. They have been producing RPG products for many years. Second, Paizo did not tie D&D in sales. Paizo ranked the same as D&D in a slice of the market covered by IcV2 for a single quarter, based on obscure metrics that, by all accounts I've heard, largely amount to asking FLGS owners how they think a product sold. These metrics do not include Borders, Barnes & Noble, Amazon, any other online vendor platform, or digital subscriptions. You want Paizo to tie D&D because that would make you happy and would help vindicate your position, so you're willing to look past the rather obvious lack of clarity and issues with methodology at play here.</p><p></p><p>My take on this can be boiled down to the following: If you don't know what you're talking about, please be cognizant enough of that fact to avoid posting like Chicken Little. If you <em>do</em> know what you're talking about, please have the intellectual and moral fiber to avoid trolling where it really isn't wanted.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Dannager, post: 5466974, member: 73683"] Who never thought it would happen? As it's been made clear to you already, D&D has a long history of branching out into other mediums. The D&D brand is no stranger to cards, and it is no stranger to board games. Pretending that those things are new developments which herald the END TIMES is either ignorance, delusion, or outright trolling. D&D is not using cards like MtG. If you think that's the case, you're not paying attention, or you're willfully pushing a flawed, inflammatory viewpoint on others (which, frankly, is a pretty awful thing to do). I've got some difficult news for you. You might want to sit down. [B]D&D's base was [I]always[/I] the Mountain Dew/WoW crowd.[/B] A [I]huge[/I] number of WoW players are D&D players, and played D&D for just as long as you have. And really, have you never heard the classic Dead Alewives skit involving Mountain Dew? The portion of D&D's customer base that is made up of highly vocal, entitled, pretentious, crazy-conservative fans who see innovation as dumbing-down is - and always has been - pretty small by comparison. This is something that is often referred to as "concern trolling". You first fill out a form, atop which is scrawled in massive script, "Death Warrant of the D&D Hobby". Like any other form of entertainment, companies looking to make a profit are part of the package necessary to drive them forward. Without companies to innovate and push boundaries in the interest of increasing penetration and revenue, hobbies stagnate, wither, and die. Right, so you want D&D to be managed by people without them looking to make a profit, and you want it to not fail miserably. Can't have both, I'm afraid. No, you're not. You're seeing [I]things[/I], and because you [I]want[/I] to be seeing signs that D&D is failing, or doing poorly under WotC, or because you want to believe that D&D is some pure creation that, if altered, will collapse in on itself, and that you [I]and only you[/I] are capable of raising the alarm to protect the virgin game from mishandling, these [I]things[/I] that you are seeing are suddenly interpreted in the way that makes them fit most snugly into your mental framework for where D&D is headed. I promise you, no one at WotC or Hasbro believes that this will ever be the case. Stop spouting nonsense like this. Making $Blizzard with D&D is not the goal, for anyone. No, they didn't. First, Paizo is hardly a rookie. They have been producing RPG products for many years. Second, Paizo did not tie D&D in sales. Paizo ranked the same as D&D in a slice of the market covered by IcV2 for a single quarter, based on obscure metrics that, by all accounts I've heard, largely amount to asking FLGS owners how they think a product sold. These metrics do not include Borders, Barnes & Noble, Amazon, any other online vendor platform, or digital subscriptions. You want Paizo to tie D&D because that would make you happy and would help vindicate your position, so you're willing to look past the rather obvious lack of clarity and issues with methodology at play here. My take on this can be boiled down to the following: If you don't know what you're talking about, please be cognizant enough of that fact to avoid posting like Chicken Little. If you [I]do[/I] know what you're talking about, please have the intellectual and moral fiber to avoid trolling where it really isn't wanted. [/QUOTE]
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