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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Sword of Spirit" data-source="post: 7905842" data-attributes="member: 6677017">I thought I'd check back here and see if there have been any updates.Taking [USER=12377]@77IM[/USER] 's More Ships of the Sea doc as a baseline, the remaining points seem to be:Ship length discrepancies. I'm going to make a little table explaining what the printed material gives us, along with the copy of More Ships of the Sea (v.1.0) that I have. I'm not including the rowboat nor the problematic keelboat, I'll address the latter later. Discrepancies are bolded.Ship Lengths<table style='width: 100%'><tr><td>Ship</td><td>Listed Length</td><td>Deck Plan Length</td><td>Masts</td><td>Compared Ship</td></tr><tr><td>Galley</td><td>130'</td><td>130'</td><td>1</td><td></td></tr><tr><td>Longship</td><td>70'</td><td>70'</td><td>1</td><td></td></tr><tr><td>Sailing Ship</td><td>100'</td><td>80'</td><td>3</td><td>Carrack</td></tr><tr><td>Warship</td><td>100'</td><td>100'</td><td>3</td><td></td></tr><tr><td>DMG Ship*</td><td>100'</td><td>80'</td><td>2</td><td></td></tr><tr><td>Sea Ghost</td><td>-</td><td>90'</td><td>1</td><td></td></tr><tr><td>More Ships</td><td></td><td></td><td></td><td></td></tr><tr><td>Caravel</td><td>80'</td><td>90'</td><td>1</td><td>Sea Ghost</td></tr><tr><td>Cog</td><td>80'</td><td>90'</td><td>1</td><td>Sea Ghost</td></tr><tr><td>Galleon</td><td>100'</td><td>100'</td><td>3</td><td>Warship</td></tr><tr><td>Schooner</td><td>80'</td><td>80'</td><td>3</td><td>Sailing Ship</td></tr><tr><td>Sloop</td><td>20'</td><td>-</td><td>1</td><td></td></tr></table>* The deckplan is found on page 314, and I assume it was intended to apply to the sailing ship on page 119As you can see, it seems like the listed length of the sailing ship is simply wrong, and should be 80'. However, that leaves the Sea Ghost, which should be smaller, actually having a larger deck plan. I can't think of any really good way of dealing with that issue. Upsizing everything else relative to the Sea Ghost (since it has a detailed deckplan it would be a waste to replace) is one not terribly satisfying solution. Changing the map scale of its squares to 3.5 - 4 feet per square gives us a better length, but makes it more crowded than the other deck plans. Still, that may be the better option, since downsizing it allows it's deckplans to work with the caravel and cog and fixes their relationship to the sailing ship deck plans.I suggest using the actual deck plans (probably scaled down for the Sea Ghost, and hence caravel and cog) in favor of the listed length in all cases. If writing up a document, I would straight up include "errata" to the official books to indicate the correct lengths based on the deck plans.Shipwrecked keelboats. The apparent facts of the problem are:-The DMG keelboat (p.119) describes a pinnace-The deck plan in GoS depicts a riverboat style cargo keelboat-The text description in GoS refers to a pinnace when indicating a single crew member and 10' mast-The rest of the text description in GoS refers to a riverboat style cargo keelboat-The stat block in GoS is an unsalvageable mess describing a mashup of these incompatible shipsI suggest adding a new statblock to fit the riverboat style cargo keelboat deck plan (and it doesn't have to be limited to riverboats--it should be applicable to any ship that could fit that deck plan), and a recommendation to ignore the one in GoS. The sloop from More Ships should do the job for a pinnace (although I'm not sure what the actual Strength score was intended to be, so that should be cleared up).As an aside, I'd love to see a write up of the DMG's folding boat updated to these rules.Well, those are my thoughts.</blockquote>

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