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Message: <blockquote data-quote="tiornys" data-source="post: 4993436" data-attributes="member: 17633">One way to reduce the options is to add some restrictions.  You mentioned a desire to be Lancelot-ish, and your discussion of the Justiciar suggests a desire to avoid implement powers.  If I were to build a Chaladin that avoided implement powers for a party with excellent healing, it would look something like this:[sblock]====== Created Using Wizards of the Coast D&D Character Builder ======level 12Human, Paladin, Questing KnightBackground: Birth - Blessed (+2 to Insight)FINAL ABILITY SCORESStr 11, Con 15, Dex 9, Int 12, Wis 18, Cha 21.STARTING ABILITY SCORESStr 10, Con 14, Dex 8, Int 11, Wis 15, Cha 16.AC: 31 Fort: 23 Reflex: 24 Will: 26HP: 96 Surges: 12 Surge Value: 24TRAINED SKILLSEndurance +9, Religion +12, Insight +19, Diplomacy +16, Heal +15UNTRAINED SKILLSAcrobatics +2, Arcana +7, Bluff +11, Dungeoneering +10, History +7, Intimidate +11, Nature +10, Perception +10, Stealth +1, Streetwise +11, Thievery +1, Athletics +2FEATSHuman: Weapon Proficiency (Bastard sword)Level 1: Weapon Expertise (Heavy Blade)Level 2: Action SurgeLevel 4: Human PerseveranceLevel 6: Virtuous RecoveryLevel 8: Fast RunnerLevel 10: Armor of BahamutLevel 11: Honored FoeLevel 12: Touch of SalvationPOWERSBonus At-Will Power: Virtuous StrikeLay on Hands: Virtue's TouchPaladin at-will 1: Enfeebling StrikePaladin at-will 1: Ardent StrikePaladin encounter 1: Fearsome SmitePaladin daily 1: Majestic HaloPaladin utility 2: Touch of GracePaladin encounter 3: Trial of StrengthPaladin daily 5: Unyielding FaithPaladin utility 6: Wrath of the GodsPaladin encounter 7: Blade of LightPaladin daily 9: Shackles of JusticePaladin utility 10: Noble ShieldITEMSMagic Gith Plate Armor +3, Thundering Bastard sword +3, Cloak of Resistance +3, Guardian Shield Heavy Shield (heroic tier), Symbol of Hope +1, Acrobat Boots (heroic tier), Belt of Sacrifice (heroic tier)====== Copy to Clipboard and Press the Import Button on the Summary Tab ======[/sblock]The weakest point of this build is the lack of ranged options.  It's taken a couple of things to help increase its mobility.  The equipment is PHB1/2 only.However, Chaladins do get access to some great implement powers, and the Lancelot flavor doesn't rule them out completely.  If I were to go Justiciar, I'd instead look something like this:[sblock]====== Created Using Wizards of the Coast D&D Character Builder ======level 12Human, Paladin, JusticiarBackground: Birth - Blessed (+2 to Insight)FINAL ABILITY SCORESStr 11, Con 15, Dex 9, Int 12, Wis 18, Cha 21.STARTING ABILITY SCORESStr 10, Con 14, Dex 8, Int 11, Wis 15, Cha 16.AC: 30 Fort: 22 Reflex: 21 Will: 25HP: 96 Surges: 12 Surge Value: 24TRAINED SKILLSEndurance +13, Religion +12, Insight +17, Diplomacy +16, Heal +15UNTRAINED SKILLSAcrobatics +4, Arcana +7, Bluff +11, Dungeoneering +10, History +7, Intimidate +11, Nature +10, Perception +10, Stealth +3, Streetwise +11, Thievery +3, Athletics +4FEATSHuman: Implement Expertise (holy symbol)Level 1: Weapon Expertise (Heavy Blade)Level 2: Action SurgeLevel 4: Weapon Focus (Heavy Blade)Level 6: Virtuous RecoveryLevel 8: Alertness (retrained to Armor Specialization (Plate) at Level 11)Level 10: Armor of BahamutLevel 11: Honored FoeLevel 12: Touch of SalvationPOWERSBonus At-Will Power: Virtuous StrikeLay on Hands: Virtue's TouchPaladin at-will 1: Enfeebling StrikePaladin at-will 1: Ardent StrikePaladin encounter 1: Fearsome SmitePaladin daily 1: Radiant DeliriumPaladin utility 2: Call of ChallengePaladin encounter 3: Trial of StrengthPaladin daily 5: Name of MightPaladin utility 6: Wrath of the GodsPaladin encounter 7: Astral ThunderPaladin daily 9: Ray of ReprisalPaladin utility 10: Noble ShieldITEMSMagic Gith Plate Armor +3, Acrobat Boots (heroic tier), Belt of Sacrifice (heroic tier), Symbol of Power +3, Thundering Longsword +3, Cloak of Survival +2, Bracers of Mighty Striking (heroic tier)====== Copy to Clipboard and Press the Import Button on the Summary Tab ======[/sblock]The second build really wishes it had access to the AV/AV2, for access to weapons that count as holy symbols.t~</blockquote>

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