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<blockquote data-quote="evilbob" data-source="post: 6332257" data-attributes="member: 9789">If &quot;a feat&quot; gets you medium armor prof, then it's effectively the same (you're just trading &quot;when&quot;).&nbsp; If a feat gets you less, then it could be argued you're ahead.&nbsp; But that's not really the point.Definitely the &quot;pure vs. versatile&quot; argument is valid; no question.&nbsp; But the thing that's awesome is that in other editions, dwarf wizards were a bad idea on multiple levels.&nbsp; You never saw them.&nbsp; Now it's just maybe not the best idea.&nbsp; What a difference!&nbsp; I really, REALLY like the 20-max rule.&nbsp; Also, you can make a spellsword-like character straight off the bat with the basic rules.&nbsp; Very nice!Nagol:&nbsp; You're right; I messed up twice but I only decreased the numbers.&nbsp; For the first set of stats, I was using a point buy and did 14, 14, 14, 13, 8, 8, which I realize now is actually 1 point low.&nbsp; Arranged in order with racial bonuses, that translated to 8-&gt;10, 14, 14-&gt;16, 14, 13, 8.&nbsp; (Probably would change it and take 1 point out of the 13 and make Str 10-&gt;12.)For the second one, I actually decreased the 13 to 12 when I swapped things around, and got 14, 14, 14, 12, 8, 8, and in order again it's:&nbsp; 14-&gt;16, 14, 12-&gt;14, 14, 8, 8, with two points left for whatever (probably Wis to 10).</blockquote>

[QUOTE="evilbob, post: 6332257, member: 9789"] If "a feat" gets you medium armor prof, then it's effectively the same (you're just trading "when"). If a feat gets you less, then it could be argued you're ahead. But that's not really the point. Definitely the "pure vs. versatile" argument is valid; no question. But the thing that's awesome is that in other editions, dwarf wizards were a bad idea on multiple levels. You never saw them. Now it's just maybe not the best idea. What a difference! I really, REALLY like the 20-max rule. Also, you can make a spellsword-like character straight off the bat with the basic rules. Very nice! Nagol: You're right; I messed up twice but I only decreased the numbers. For the first set of stats, I was using a point buy and did 14, 14, 14, 13, 8, 8, which I realize now is actually 1 point low. Arranged in order with racial bonuses, that translated to 8->10, 14, 14->16, 14, 13, 8. (Probably would change it and take 1 point out of the 13 and make Str 10->12.) For the second one, I actually decreased the 13 to 12 when I swapped things around, and got 14, 14, 14, 12, 8, 8, and in order again it's: 14->16, 14, 12->14, 14, 8, 8, with two points left for whatever (probably Wis to 10). [/QUOTE]

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