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Message: <blockquote data-quote="MNblockhead" data-source="post: 9550654" data-attributes="member: 6796661">Yes, it may grow on me. I'll have to read the fluff and crunch for these entries when the MM is released. I admit it only bothers me because that is how I got used to understanding them based on 1e and 5e. I mean, the gorgon and medusa entries have never bothered me, because I was introduced to them as a kid, without any understanding of the real-life mythology they were drawn from and it just became a "D&D thing" once I was old enough to know more of the real-life history. Incubi were rape demons in medieval mythology, but I agree with you. No need to stay true to the real-life mythology in an all-ages game. Those who know, and want to run these creatures in a way that is more true to their real-world inspirations can transport the lore or just use the 2014 5e versions. I've always run them as seducers. Having an incubus rape a sleeping female PC is not something I've ever wanted to or want to run. Even skirting around that idea with NPCs is well beyond what I want in my games, veils or not. Even with the various classic D&D and third-party creatures that have powers of seduction is something to be careful with. You have to know your players. I've used them in my games with my current group, but a failed wisdom wisdom save never leads to non-consensual sex. With most, it just means that the PC is charmed and is manipulated into moving into danger, whether that be moving closer to where the creature can attack, walk off a cliff, drown in river, etc. Draining kiss for the incubus and succubus can be more problematic and for players not comfortable with that I would just re-flavor so some draining, touch attack without getting into details or just forgo using the incubus/succubus.</blockquote>

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