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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Laslo Tremaine" data-source="post: 405049" data-attributes="member: 330">I agree the the level is Loremaster is pretty power-gamey! But I like it!  <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile    :)"  data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" />Lets take a look at how I would do an Arcane Trickster vs a Rog/Wiz. Both of these are on a 30 point buy with the following starting stats: Str 10, Dex 16, Con 12, Int 16, Wis 10, Chr 10.Rogue 10/Wizard 10BAB: 12Hit Points: 73 (assuming average hit points)Skill points 152 (not counting Int Bonus)Saves: For 6, Ref 10, Wil 10Highest Spell lvl: 5thSneak Attack: +5d6Other gains: Rogue Special Ability; better familiar; extra wizard feat; can't be flanked.Rogue 5/Wizard 5/Arcane Trickster 10BAB: 10Hit Points: 68 (assuming average hit points)Skill points 132 (not counting Int Bonus)Saves: For 5, Ref 12, Wil 12Highest Spell lvl: 8thSneak Attack: +8d6Other gains: Ranged Legerdemain 3/day; Impomptu Sneak Attack 2/daySo by taking the Arcane Trickster you are a slightly worse Rogue and a much better Wizard, plus your sneak attack is greatly improved.  What you give up is a few hit points, some skill points, a few points of BAB, a wizard feat, some familiar enhancements and your 10th level Rogue special ability.As far as I am concerned, the improved Sneak Attack and the ability to cast 6th, 7th and 8th level spells more than makes up for any loses.(edited for formatting)</blockquote>

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