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<blockquote data-quote="Bedrockgames" data-source="post: 6867088" data-attributes="member: 85555"><p>But cliffhangers have to be engaging and grab you in order to work. They need to add to the sense of drama and intensity. No one is saying you can't do cliffhangers or that they are always bad. But they can be botched like anything else. They can be overused or feel like a cheap trick. And I think a lot of people thought this one wasn't well placed. I felt it hurt the episode. I've enjoyed cliffhangers in other seasons and in other shows. This one just didn't work. And I think the reason is two-fold: it completely undermined Negan's entrance and it kind of highlights that the show has become too heavily reliant on 'tune in to find out what happens' at the expense of the individual episodes being enjoyable. Again, I am as optimistic as they come about shows. I rarely complain. But it is okay to be critical if the episode doesn't land. I really wanted to like this episode and I was rooting for it to work out. But my honest reaction was 'huh? that didn't work at all' It just didn't. It felt like a trick, and I think the writers overestimated peoples investment in finding out who died (I was tuning in because I wanted to see Negan's entrance and wanted it to have an impact). Turning that into 'who shot JR" for me, it just lessened the impact. It didn't leave me at the edge of my seat screaming "oh no, who just died?" (which is what I think they were going for). It left me wondering if I should even bother tuning in September. And again, I am as forgiving as they come as a viewer. </p><p></p><p>And I do have to commend them on a good episode up to that point. I had no issue with the build up. I thought it was masterful. But something about that cliffhanger felt...way the hell off. It didn't add any excitement it just made me feel like I was out for an unnecessarily long jog.</p><p></p><p>If you guys liked it, that is your honest reaction and I am not saying your wrong...I just couldn't say I liked it and feel like I was giving my honest reaction. It kind of felt like the writers thought I only tune in to find out what happens next. The point of this episode for me wasn't to find out who dies. It was to see Rick stripped down of his ego by Negan and Lucile. I was expecting a powerful moment. Imagine if they'd not done the POV thing (which again, to me felt gimmicky and artificial) and instead forced you to watch the horror that Rick was experiencing. Instead I felt like I got a highly sanitized escape from that horror, and I was never personally connected to the stuff the group was collectively part of. I think for that scene to work, you needed to feel what Rick was feeling and I just didn't. I left like I was popped out of the moment by that darn POV and then I just felt like I didn't care. It wasn't a "damn you I have to wait six months to find out!" reaction (at least that would have been a strong reaction). It was much more muted and just a sense that they'd completely dropped the ball conveying the power of the moment.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Bedrockgames, post: 6867088, member: 85555"] But cliffhangers have to be engaging and grab you in order to work. They need to add to the sense of drama and intensity. No one is saying you can't do cliffhangers or that they are always bad. But they can be botched like anything else. They can be overused or feel like a cheap trick. And I think a lot of people thought this one wasn't well placed. I felt it hurt the episode. I've enjoyed cliffhangers in other seasons and in other shows. This one just didn't work. And I think the reason is two-fold: it completely undermined Negan's entrance and it kind of highlights that the show has become too heavily reliant on 'tune in to find out what happens' at the expense of the individual episodes being enjoyable. Again, I am as optimistic as they come about shows. I rarely complain. But it is okay to be critical if the episode doesn't land. I really wanted to like this episode and I was rooting for it to work out. But my honest reaction was 'huh? that didn't work at all' It just didn't. It felt like a trick, and I think the writers overestimated peoples investment in finding out who died (I was tuning in because I wanted to see Negan's entrance and wanted it to have an impact). Turning that into 'who shot JR" for me, it just lessened the impact. It didn't leave me at the edge of my seat screaming "oh no, who just died?" (which is what I think they were going for). It left me wondering if I should even bother tuning in September. And again, I am as forgiving as they come as a viewer. And I do have to commend them on a good episode up to that point. I had no issue with the build up. I thought it was masterful. But something about that cliffhanger felt...way the hell off. It didn't add any excitement it just made me feel like I was out for an unnecessarily long jog. If you guys liked it, that is your honest reaction and I am not saying your wrong...I just couldn't say I liked it and feel like I was giving my honest reaction. It kind of felt like the writers thought I only tune in to find out what happens next. The point of this episode for me wasn't to find out who dies. It was to see Rick stripped down of his ego by Negan and Lucile. I was expecting a powerful moment. Imagine if they'd not done the POV thing (which again, to me felt gimmicky and artificial) and instead forced you to watch the horror that Rick was experiencing. Instead I felt like I got a highly sanitized escape from that horror, and I was never personally connected to the stuff the group was collectively part of. I think for that scene to work, you needed to feel what Rick was feeling and I just didn't. I left like I was popped out of the moment by that darn POV and then I just felt like I didn't care. It wasn't a "damn you I have to wait six months to find out!" reaction (at least that would have been a strong reaction). It was much more muted and just a sense that they'd completely dropped the ball conveying the power of the moment. [/QUOTE]
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