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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Zardnaar" data-source="post: 6820065" data-attributes="member: 6716779">No I actually tested the BK in action and the noble kind of does at will action granting but the designer hit everything else it did hrd with the nerf bat and it was still semi OP.I was referring to spellcasting pre 4E. Spellcaster do not function the same as 1E-3E.  Spellcasters are not god mode in 5E. If they are broken its if you have a lot of them rather than individual power. And by a lot I mean spell combos with 4-5 caster in a 5 or 6 person party.  Paladins I would rate as some of the most powerful classes int he game borderline OP even for the avenger and Oath of the Ancients. I would take one any day of the week over a fighter. Paladin is actually better IMHO than most of the primary casters. I am comparing at will action granting to things like BM dice, haste, dissonant whisper, or the sentinel feat all of which are really good but limited. At will action granting is not limited and is very versatile and will do funny things to a party DPR for example for a support class. Cleric damage in 5E for example tends to be a bit meh so giving up your attack to enable a Rogue to sneak attack or a sharpshooter/GWM to have another attack is already broken right there.  The BM fighter is actually a fighting class so having it give up a fighter attack is less OP than something like a Druid, Cleric or Wizard PC would and since most warlord advocates want the warlord as a support type PC plus healing plus some other abilities its to much. The 5E rogue is the prime example of why at willa ction granting is a stupidly bad idea in 5E. An extra 2d6 striker dice in 4E could be 10d6 dice in 5E at range or in melee. That is a lot of damage and versatility to enable via the BM let alone at wiull via a new warlord. Add 5E monster have less hit points than 4E so its a bad idea in 5E like an at will ability in 4E dealing 15d6 or 20d6 via a 4E warlord would be.  That is the equivalent amount (roughly) of damage a 4E warlord would be enabling in 4E.</blockquote>

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