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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Tony Vargas" data-source="post: 6820433" data-attributes="member: 996">Your ignorance of 4e is really hurting whatever point you're trying to make here.  Rogues did not depend on daily attack powers to deliver striker-level DPR, they could do so even sticking to at-will, all strikers could.  The Rogue is different from other weapon-using classes in 5e, since it gets a scaling damage boost to a single attack instead of depending on more problematic multi-attacking to improve DPR as a it levels.  That's not a major obstacle to design, though.  That appeal to popularity has been done to death.  We've never seen any evidence to back it up, on the few surveys we've seen it's come in closer to the middle of the pack, with classes less popular than it seeing the inside of the 5e PH.  Even were it true, it wouldn't be a valid reason for exclusion: the mere fact that a minority is outnumbered does not justify persecution.There were two fighter sub-classes, and one rogue sub-class touching on the Warlord concept published prior to the College of Satire touching upon the Jester in UA.  The two offerings on DMsG are just two more fighter sub-classes, an approach that just can't succeed, they're even not worth a look, no matter how low the price.  For may fans, nothing un-official is ever going to matter, getting or blocking the Warlord for them is as much about WotC making a statement validating that desire or the vindictive need to thwart it as providing a feature 5e needs or saving the dead trees that it might be printed on.</blockquote>

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