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<blockquote data-quote="seskis281" data-source="post: 4286059" data-attributes="member: 41593">&quot;D&amp;D&quot; is not in a trademarked name, and it certainly doesn't exist just because WotC publishes something with the moniker atop it. I have always said that D&amp;D isn't necessarily found in a particular set of rules, but in a group of individuals around a table or a room, imagining themselves as Elves or Dwarves, as Fighters or Magic Users, exploring exotic fantasy and (yes) sci fi locations (City of the Gods, anyone?) I have always tried to say &quot;hey, play what makes you happy.&quot; I've argued that 3rd edition, especially when it first came out, helped revitalize D&amp;D, and that while &quot;different&quot; it still is essentially &quot;D&amp;D&quot;I stood for an hour and a half today thumbing through all 3 core books. I purchased the PHB and have been looking through it most of tonight.This edition, 4e, is not just a different variation on D&amp;D... it is an entirely new paradigm. It is alien to me. It is about staring at a battlemat, counting squares and &quot;looking like a dragon so you look cool!&quot;I play C&amp;C, but have found much that I import or use from d20, as well as earlier editions, as well as other games and systems. I bought the 4e handbook hoping to likewise find influences that I might adapt or use - but it is almost like it intentionally is making itself completely incompatible with 3.x and everything else! This is marketing I know, but it is also infuriating....So ok, I grant that all of us can have differing opinions as to what &quot;feels&quot; like &quot;D&amp;D,&quot; and that this really is a subjective point but really... too many posters around here say &quot;well, WotC said it is, so it must be....&quot; 4E is so strikingly different from earlier editions that it is a complete break... with minor similarities in using &quot;classes,&quot; &quot;races&quot; and &quot;levels.&quot; It is also very much influenced by WoW and other video games. &quot;Slots&quot; for apparel and gear.... &quot;limit breaks&quot; (bloodied powers kicking in), tiered character builds, healing surges.....&nbsp; hey, it is what it is.So does all this mean this is a &quot;bad&quot; game, to be avoided? Nah, it looks like a fun tabletop battle game.But, for me, it's NOT &quot;D&amp;D&quot; anymore.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="seskis281, post: 4286059, member: 41593"] "D&D" is not in a trademarked name, and it certainly doesn't exist just because WotC publishes something with the moniker atop it. I have always said that D&D isn't necessarily found in a particular set of rules, but in a group of individuals around a table or a room, imagining themselves as Elves or Dwarves, as Fighters or Magic Users, exploring exotic fantasy and (yes) sci fi locations (City of the Gods, anyone?) I have always tried to say "hey, play what makes you happy." I've argued that 3rd edition, especially when it first came out, helped revitalize D&D, and that while "different" it still is essentially "D&D" I stood for an hour and a half today thumbing through all 3 core books. I purchased the PHB and have been looking through it most of tonight. This edition, 4e, is not just a different variation on D&D... it is an entirely new paradigm. It is alien to me. It is about staring at a battlemat, counting squares and "looking like a dragon so you look cool!" I play C&C, but have found much that I import or use from d20, as well as earlier editions, as well as other games and systems. I bought the 4e handbook hoping to likewise find influences that I might adapt or use - but it is almost like it intentionally is making itself completely incompatible with 3.x and everything else! This is marketing I know, but it is also infuriating.... So ok, I grant that all of us can have differing opinions as to what "feels" like "D&D," and that this really is a subjective point but really... too many posters around here say "well, WotC said it is, so it must be...." 4E is so strikingly different from earlier editions that it is a complete break... with minor similarities in using "classes," "races" and "levels." It is also very much influenced by WoW and other video games. "Slots" for apparel and gear.... "limit breaks" (bloodied powers kicking in), tiered character builds, healing surges..... hey, it is what it is. So does all this mean this is a "bad" game, to be avoided? Nah, it looks like a fun tabletop battle game. But, for me, it's NOT "D&D" anymore. [/QUOTE]

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