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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Imaro" data-source="post: 4621839" data-attributes="member: 48965">You know, I think you might be on to something here... something I noticed when running my 4e game last weekend...The PC's were fighting spiders that had a web attack vs. Ref.  Now once the web hit the PC's each had to make a save to not be imobile... I realized then that I don't like the save mechanic as it works in 4e.  (Now maybe I shouldn't have been looking at the immobile condition as "the spiders web sticking characters to a certain spot and just viewed it as an imposed condition... but I need some type of narrative for my game.)  You see to me it seemed that a stronger character should be able to break free... but the 50% for everybody save mechanic doesn't take this into consideration.  Even my players thought it was odd and grumbled about it a little.  Now I know it's a flavor thing and opinions will vary... but I think there should be a difference here, and not some general bonus to saves feat or the like but a bonus because breaking the webs would be easier for a stronger character.</blockquote>