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<blockquote data-quote="Brother MacLaren" data-source="post: 3937171" data-attributes="member: 15999">The triple maximum HP at first level are leaning this way.&nbsp; It really depends on how they handle monster HP.A 1st-level fighter with 14 Con will have 32 HP; if nothing changes, that's more than an ogre.&nbsp; He can be shot with five heavy crossbow bolts and keep fighting.&nbsp; He can fall 60' and expect to walk away from it.&nbsp; If he were just slightly outside the realm of the average person, you could chalk it up to luck.&nbsp; But his combined durability and luck (HP) are quite far above the norm. Some things, such as base weapon damage and falling damage, have changed relatively little since early editions.&nbsp; HP have been inflated tremendously for PCs and certain monsters.&nbsp; Look at BD&amp;D; a fighter had 1d8 HD, no max at 1st level, and likely only a +1 from Con, so he'd hit 32 hp at about 5th-6th level.&nbsp;&nbsp; That would be the point where he could take five heavy crossbow hits or fall 60'.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Brother MacLaren, post: 3937171, member: 15999"] The triple maximum HP at first level are leaning this way. It really depends on how they handle monster HP. A 1st-level fighter with 14 Con will have 32 HP; if nothing changes, that's more than an ogre. He can be shot with five heavy crossbow bolts and keep fighting. He can fall 60' and expect to walk away from it. If he were just slightly outside the realm of the average person, you could chalk it up to luck. But his combined durability and luck (HP) are quite far above the norm. Some things, such as base weapon damage and falling damage, have changed relatively little since early editions. HP have been inflated tremendously for PCs and certain monsters. Look at BD&D; a fighter had 1d8 HD, no max at 1st level, and likely only a +1 from Con, so he'd hit 32 hp at about 5th-6th level. That would be the point where he could take five heavy crossbow hits or fall 60'. [/QUOTE]

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