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<blockquote data-quote="Irda Ranger" data-source="post: 3937673" data-attributes="member: 1003">Oh please.&nbsp; I know this was supposed to be mildly humorous (&quot;funny, except not&quot;), but its insinuation is off base.I don't want to get in &quot;Tastes Great! Less Filling!&quot; shouting match over whether C&amp;C or D&amp;D is better, but C&amp;C does not do &quot;everyman&quot; any better or worse than D&amp;D.1. You still go from level 1 to 20.2. PC's by level 5 laugh at orcs.3. FireballLow power?&nbsp; I played those &quot;previous editions&quot; with their Longswords +3, +6 vs. Dragons, and Rings of Shooting Stars, and Decks of Many Things.&nbsp; I recall with great satisfaction getting access to 5th level spells and thinking &quot;Now who's the weakest character in the party? Eat it, Fighter!&quot;C&amp;C and AD&amp;D are not somehow limited to levels 1-5.&nbsp; If the OP wants to play &quot;everyman&quot; games, he needs to play E6 or something like it.What they said was that there can be no exact conversion rules that work every time for converting a character from previous editions to 4th edition.&nbsp; And that's true.&nbsp; You can't create a &quot;perfect&quot; conversion form for any two games; even between C&amp;C and AD&amp;D.&nbsp; You can come close, but it will never be perfect.&nbsp; So WotC did (IMO) the honest thing and admitted this fact.Because in 4E, house rules are illegal.Maybe.&nbsp; But if you're honestly looking for &quot;low fantasy&quot; you won't be playing C&amp;C either, as seems to be your original contention.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Irda Ranger, post: 3937673, member: 1003"] Oh please. I know this was supposed to be mildly humorous ("funny, except not"), but its insinuation is off base. I don't want to get in "Tastes Great! Less Filling!" shouting match over whether C&C or D&D is better, but C&C does not do "everyman" any better or worse than D&D. 1. You still go from level 1 to 20. 2. PC's by level 5 laugh at orcs. 3. Fireball Low power? I played those "previous editions" with their Longswords +3, +6 vs. Dragons, and Rings of Shooting Stars, and Decks of Many Things. I recall with great satisfaction getting access to 5th level spells and thinking "Now who's the weakest character in the party? Eat it, Fighter!" C&C and AD&D are not somehow limited to levels 1-5. If the OP wants to play "everyman" games, he needs to play E6 or something like it. What they said was that there can be no exact conversion rules that work every time for converting a character from previous editions to 4th edition. And that's true. You can't create a "perfect" conversion form for any two games; even between C&C and AD&D. You can come close, but it will never be perfect. So WotC did (IMO) the honest thing and admitted this fact. Because in 4E, house rules are illegal. Maybe. But if you're honestly looking for "low fantasy" you won't be playing C&C either, as seems to be your original contention. [/QUOTE]

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