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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Thunderfoot" data-source="post: 3938377" data-attributes="member: 34175">Thanks for all of the replies so far.As many of you have stated, yes the everyman does become the hero eventually (otherwise, what IS the point), I was just worried that with what I've seen, that yes, they "popped out of mommy with the cape." (I love that quote)I guess the survivability is what bugs me.  There is no chance for failure (on the most severest of scales) anymore.  I remember a time when we used to hide in dungeons when the goblins came just so we didn't get the wrong end of the sword and then followed them and set up ambushes.  By the time 3.5 came around it was more, drop the napalm and open up with the mini-gun, I'll flank them on the right and cast Bigby's Tactical Nuke and the rogue can finish them with the Coup de Grace of cleaving...that should get us to level two, I think. (Obvious hyperbole but I think you get my point)  The days of hoping you made the right decision are being erased and replaced with I hope I selected the correct tactics for this situation, a subtle but vital difference IMO.  <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f600.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":D" title="Big grin    :D"  data-smilie="8"data-shortname=":D" /></blockquote>