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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Zardnaar" data-source="post: 6731238" data-attributes="member: 6716779">Sounds like you guys want to much. Cleric levels of healing a d10 hit duce plus lots of manuveurs.  Clerucs give up multiple attacks and deal middling damage with non spell attacks and have a d8 for hit dice. Alot of warlord threads basically look like outright blatant powergaming. I think thats why people have problems with the warlord. You either break the game or have a lesser power version if the 4E one.</blockquote>