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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Tequila Sunrise" data-source="post: 6293344" data-attributes="member: 40398">Yeah, fans who think that 3.x is more realistic than other editions always get an eye-roll from me. Particularly with things like non-level-scaling AC built right into the game's basic rules; so you can't even avoid the gaminess by choosing a different character option!I too think that WBL is problematic, though probably for different reasons than you do.I think it's better than not having guidelines at all, as was the case before 3.0, but WBL is just too vague. Which items the PCs have is just as important as the cash value of their stuff -- arguably more important -- and the game clearly expects the PCs to have certain specific items -- most clearly demonstrated by the fact that AC doesn't scale with level. But there's no mention of which items are expected, nor the expected +'s by level. As a result, new DMs are often under the mistaken impression that "It's all good, just throw whatever random loot at the party!*", while every experienced DM has a different idea of what the game expects PCs to have -- ranging from your "There are no expectations!" to "Players should feel lucky to find a +1 sword at 10th level!" to my own much more generous opinions.*I myself was victim to this problem...or more accurately, my first players were.This is one of those things that D&Ders are just going to disagree on. To my mind, any given level having a wide range of power levels is the fundamental failure. And half the point of playing a level-based game is to be able to use level as a measure of relative character power, IMO. (The other half being "It's fun to level up!")It may or may not 'look' like D&D to you, but 4e managed to do just this.</blockquote>

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