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<blockquote data-quote="Ahnehnois" data-source="post: 6293380" data-attributes="member: 17106">I'm not really clear on what your standard is though regarding the meaning of level.For example, if we take as given that two level 10 characters won't always be the same, are you stating that a level should instead be an exclusive range (for example, that no 9th level character should ever be as powerful as a 10th level character; that there is a range of power levels that comprises level 9 and then when that ends the least powerful 10th level character kicks in)? Even that, I think, is clearly untenable.Are you suggesting that holding some variables constant, but not having character building choices be among those constants, everything should even out? What I mean by that is that if we say that two characters are of the same level, have the same equipment resources/ability scores/etc., and only differ by which class the player chose and which abilities they chose under that class, that then those two characters should be equals? I don't buy that either, but maybe that is what you're saying.But I'm not really sure what you're getting at when you're talking about character level as a measure of power. Absent that understanding, I really don't see any reason to narrow the range of options at all. If someone wants to say there are some spells or other niche rules that need fixing, I'd go back to what I said above: of course, there always will be. But the basic paradigm is what it is, and it seems to work okay.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Ahnehnois, post: 6293380, member: 17106"] I'm not really clear on what your standard is though regarding the meaning of level. For example, if we take as given that two level 10 characters won't always be the same, are you stating that a level should instead be an exclusive range (for example, that no 9th level character should ever be as powerful as a 10th level character; that there is a range of power levels that comprises level 9 and then when that ends the least powerful 10th level character kicks in)? Even that, I think, is clearly untenable. Are you suggesting that holding some variables constant, but not having character building choices be among those constants, everything should even out? What I mean by that is that if we say that two characters are of the same level, have the same equipment resources/ability scores/etc., and only differ by which class the player chose and which abilities they chose under that class, that then those two characters should be equals? I don't buy that either, but maybe that is what you're saying. But I'm not really sure what you're getting at when you're talking about character level as a measure of power. Absent that understanding, I really don't see any reason to narrow the range of options at all. If someone wants to say there are some spells or other niche rules that need fixing, I'd go back to what I said above: of course, there always will be. But the basic paradigm is what it is, and it seems to work okay. [/QUOTE]

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