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<blockquote data-quote="Ahnehnois" data-source="post: 6293397" data-attributes="member: 17106">A world where the essence of an entire person can be simplified down to one number that defines how good they are? Clearly we have very different definitions of &quot;perfect&quot;. But since we're agreeing that this isn't going to happen regardless, moving on...Which is pretty well established in PF I think. Maybe a really kickass level 1 character might exceed the usefulness of a mediocre level 2, but past some point, level will override the other variables.Well, that's completely different, and really impossible.Which is back to being the well-established truth. PF takes a working baseline, and subtly pushes it even more in this direction with a variety of changes.I'd say so. Maybe the spread of possible outcomes is somewhat wider for the wizard and for the cleric, and wider for the cleric than the fighter, but not by some huge margin. And on average, I'd rather play the fighter.PF has done a good job with closing up the dead levels and adding archetypes so that the level 10 fighter (as opposed to the multiclass/prestige class character you'd get in 3.5) is actually a reasonable comparison. It's also closed up some spells, so we're not asking &quot;what about Polymorph?&quot; and the like. I don't see any clear advantage or disadvantage for those classes.You get three roughly equal, pretty kickass characters.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Ahnehnois, post: 6293397, member: 17106"] A world where the essence of an entire person can be simplified down to one number that defines how good they are? Clearly we have very different definitions of "perfect". But since we're agreeing that this isn't going to happen regardless, moving on... Which is pretty well established in PF I think. Maybe a really kickass level 1 character might exceed the usefulness of a mediocre level 2, but past some point, level will override the other variables. Well, that's completely different, and really impossible. Which is back to being the well-established truth. PF takes a working baseline, and subtly pushes it even more in this direction with a variety of changes. I'd say so. Maybe the spread of possible outcomes is somewhat wider for the wizard and for the cleric, and wider for the cleric than the fighter, but not by some huge margin. And on average, I'd rather play the fighter. PF has done a good job with closing up the dead levels and adding archetypes so that the level 10 fighter (as opposed to the multiclass/prestige class character you'd get in 3.5) is actually a reasonable comparison. It's also closed up some spells, so we're not asking "what about Polymorph?" and the like. I don't see any clear advantage or disadvantage for those classes. You get three roughly equal, pretty kickass characters. [/QUOTE]

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