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<blockquote data-quote="Ahnehnois" data-source="post: 6293446" data-attributes="member: 17106">True, but what PF does have going for it is the scale and scope of playtesting they did. They gave us the full game, a game that everyone already knew a lot about, and made it free, and we did what we do and gave feedback. WotC still hasn't exactly come around to that approach. What that means is that what we have is the closest thing to consensus we're going to get.If one class were better than the other, the playtest would have addressed that. And it did; what we've seen with PF is a significant smoothing out of the curve for all classes. Low-level spellcasters have a lot more stuff to play with, but their high-level spells are less world-break-y. Fighters and rogues don't look much different to start, but their charts are a lot fuller as the levels go on. This is what people wanted. This is a fix.From this point, fixes are either going to be incremental (tweaking one class's progression, fixing a broken spell) or paradigm shifts. I'm all for a paradigm shift or two, but no we'll never get agreement on those.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Ahnehnois, post: 6293446, member: 17106"] True, but what PF does have going for it is the scale and scope of playtesting they did. They gave us the full game, a game that everyone already knew a lot about, and made it free, and we did what we do and gave feedback. WotC still hasn't exactly come around to that approach. What that means is that what we have is the closest thing to consensus we're going to get. If one class were better than the other, the playtest would have addressed that. And it did; what we've seen with PF is a significant smoothing out of the curve for all classes. Low-level spellcasters have a lot more stuff to play with, but their high-level spells are less world-break-y. Fighters and rogues don't look much different to start, but their charts are a lot fuller as the levels go on. This is what people wanted. This is a fix. From this point, fixes are either going to be incremental (tweaking one class's progression, fixing a broken spell) or paradigm shifts. I'm all for a paradigm shift or two, but no we'll never get agreement on those. [/QUOTE]

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