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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Imaro" data-source="post: 6295464" data-attributes="member: 48965"> The game is leaving these things open to an extent... And none of what you posted above has anything to do with the martial power soiurce, let's not confuse the issues...Except they do link the martial power source by specifically using the term "non-traditional magic"...If I say something is a non-traditional society... that means it is a society that is non-traditional...If I say they had a non-traditional marriage... the people I am referring to still had a marriage but it was done in a non-traditional manner...Phrasing the martial power source as non-traditional magic was deliberate and categorizes it as magic but of a non-traditional bent.  I've never seen non-traditional used in the manner you seem to think it is being used here... mainly that non-traditional magic equates to not magic whatsoever... Or whatever you want to call it...Never said he used spells or prayers... but claiming those are the only types of magic is where you are wrong, even in D&D those aren't the only types of magic and D&D 4e specifically calls out the martial power source as a type of non-traditional magic...Does this practice cover all languages?  If I roll a 30 am I or am I not reading whatever language I have chosen fluently?  Please just answer these two questions with a yes or no...  I covered the main difference in my earlier post... the practice, when used, is infallible... Decipher Script when used is never 100%... Wow, so you're claiming the conceits of 4e are that the very language of creation can be learned in the back alleys of the streets... Remind me again what PC race or class starts with Supernal as a language??  In fact originally wasn't it impossible for a 1st level PC to learn supernal?Well I would say that it's because the actual written alphabet is Draconic, which is used by much more mundane creatures such as kobolds and lizardfolk which means there are creatures a 1st level thief could conceivably have interacted with and learn something of the written word he's starring at.  It's nothing like the Supernal language of 4e, which is the language of gods, devils and angels...  But the character can, 10 secs later spend a healing surge and read it... the practice when used is infallible... Decipher Script when used isn't.  That isn't fiction it's mechanical resolution of those two mechanics when used in the game.Unless of course the book says it's a form of magic... a non-traditional form...Go back and re-read the section on the Decipher Script skill in 3e... there is no limit, it states "30 or higher" which means there is always the possibility that one can run into something that is indecipherable...  One can even interpret the writings incorrectly... Neither of these is the case in 4e... The practice gives on infallibility... and yes that sounds like magic to me.That would be a great way to hand wave the fact that all it requires is exerting oneself... of course on page 147 of MP 2 it states...Component Costs:...A few martial practices also require materials to properly perform them.  When a practice has a component cost, you must pay the price from your store of treasure, whether you're spending gold gems or other valuables.  the component cost represents the price of equipment and raw materials.  So yeah it specifically has no materials associated with it regardless of what the (mutable??) fluff claims...Conan would still need materials to pull it off...Again, re-read the 3e Decipher Script skill... they are never infallible.  And the general rules for practices do in fact cover the case of having materials, the fact is that the practice specifically doesn't require materials... and yeah that's (non-traditional) magic IMO.</blockquote>

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