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<blockquote data-quote="Dungeonman" data-source="post: 6295594" data-attributes="member: 6775975"><p>So maybe change the conversation. Maybe someone wants to play a Rogue in Pathfinder with their friends, but they don't feel that rp'ing a rogue has the fun and flexibility of rp'ing a wizard. If scroll and magic use isn't a satisfying solution AND it's acknowledged the group isn't going to nerf the Wizard, then maybe the DM can work with the player to create a sort of shadow-powered Thief, for example. This character has shadow blood that manifests for example at higher levels as turning into semi-shadow and slipping through crevices almost as if they had a Passwall scroll, but balanced off by something -- like maybe magic items interfere with the shadow ability, so you can either have magic items or your shadow powers but not both at the same time -- I don't know, something like that? Whatever it is, the idea is play with the rules to accomplish the character you like while respecting the fact that Pathfinder (like any system) has its own conceits, but there is some room for houseruling for flexibility I think. If that's not sufficient, then I think one has to be realistic that Pathfinder just isn't for everyone. It is what it is.</p></blockquote><p></p>

[QUOTE="Dungeonman, post: 6295594, member: 6775975"] So maybe change the conversation. Maybe someone wants to play a Rogue in Pathfinder with their friends, but they don't feel that rp'ing a rogue has the fun and flexibility of rp'ing a wizard. If scroll and magic use isn't a satisfying solution AND it's acknowledged the group isn't going to nerf the Wizard, then maybe the DM can work with the player to create a sort of shadow-powered Thief, for example. This character has shadow blood that manifests for example at higher levels as turning into semi-shadow and slipping through crevices almost as if they had a Passwall scroll, but balanced off by something -- like maybe magic items interfere with the shadow ability, so you can either have magic items or your shadow powers but not both at the same time -- I don't know, something like that? Whatever it is, the idea is play with the rules to accomplish the character you like while respecting the fact that Pathfinder (like any system) has its own conceits, but there is some room for houseruling for flexibility I think. If that's not sufficient, then I think one has to be realistic that Pathfinder just isn't for everyone. It is what it is. [/QUOTE]

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