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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Imaro" data-source="post: 6295751" data-attributes="member: 48965">Dude these are the same thing and it doesn't matter how many times you add "sort of" or claim it's not.changing the order of words or adding to them doesn't actually change what the words mean...And this precludes it from being magic because (I'd even argue using my will to power something is the essence of some types of magic... It was in White Wolf's Mage)? Again for an example see Exalted and Earthdawn... and now MageIt means whatever you want it to mean... except magic...Well seeing as the troll's ability is a racial trait, that every single one of their race has I'd argue there's an argument for it being biological??Does this officially exist in 4e?  If so, I'm curious as to where (is it a power, a ritual, or what?) because I was under the impression there was no official anti-magic in 4e...No but 4e is the first edition to explicitly label a fighter's abilities as such... or is it not magic??  Which one are you now claiming it is?</blockquote>