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Message: <blockquote data-quote="pemerton" data-source="post: 6295774" data-attributes="member: 42582">If casting Charm Person on a stranger is always threatening, because casting spells in the presence of a stranger is always threatening, then when is the +5 to save not going to apply?How is approaching the entrance to the Steading of the Hill Giant Chieftain breaking into its home?Heck, even if I'm inside the Steading, how does any random giant know I'm an intruder? Perhaps I'm a guest. Perhaps I've been sent by Obmi to check up on things, and so am an important guest.I think it is also dependent upon the victim's INT. It is easier to trick a child than an adult, for instance - I know, I have two children. Their lesser experience and knowledge of how the world works counts against them.If it's not easier to trick a hill giant or an ogre than (say) a storm giant or a rakshasa, then what's the point of the INT score? And what's the point of GMing advice that encourages the GM to play NPCs in accordance with their mental stats (including INT)?It seems that some posters (eg Jameson Courage) take the view that any spell casting in situations of uncertainty or unfamiliarity is a threat.Anyway, if Charm Monster isn't viable in your guys' games for getting into the Steading, I guess I'll have to resort to bringing along a boring Conjurer instead. At 7th level, with the same two Focus feats, the save DC for Glitterdust is 18, so 65% of the giants in the 10' R spread - probably two out of three guards - are blinded (70% if I use the PF Hill Giant stats, because their saves are all 1 worse than 3E ones). And the range is 170', so I can be well out of sight or behind cover when I cast it. If I bring out Grease s a follow up, the DC is 18, so with a +3 (or +2) Reflex save somewhere between two-thirds and three-quarters of the giants in the 10' square will fall over, and half the rest of the giants will slip and slide as they try to close (with DEX of 8 they need an 11 to make a DC 10 Acro check; a bit more than half of them - those who roll 6 or less - will actually fall over).Personally I think the enchanter makes for a more interesting game.</blockquote>

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