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Message: <blockquote data-quote="JamesonCourage" data-source="post: 6295780" data-attributes="member: 6668292">EN World won't let me quote you right now, so I'm replying as best I can.I actually gave an example that you cut from your reply. Isn't that convenient?The +5 won't apply when it's not threatening. To most strangers (especially violent strangers whose space you've invaded alongside heavily armed individuals), that's most likely potentially harmful, and thus threatening. If, however, you can establish that you're no threat (through Bluff, Diplomacy, talking it out, whatever), then the +5 wouldn't factor in. Like in my example that you cut for some reason ("let me cast a protective spell on you, friend *casts Charm Person*").You put words in my mouth again, and we're done. Just in general on this board. Okay? Because that's incredibly not cool. You discuss things with me in good faith or we don't discuss things anymore.Yes, those spells can be useful, too. We're still talking about a niche situation.If we go to other threats (such as that ghost I mentioned), you could blind it, but it can duck under the ground until the effect wears off ("Incorporeal creatures have an innate sense of direction and can move at full speed even when they cannot see."). It also doesn't care about your Grease spell at all.A huge earth elemental (also CR 7) can duck into the ground if it wants to wait out effects (like blindness), and even has tremorsense to keep up with you as you move. Or if you attacked from surprise, it could duck under, moving around to find you, then pop up to attack.Again, you're making very focused characters with significant resources assigned towards a particular purpose, crafting a niche encounter where you're facing particularly vulnerable (all together for your Grease and Glitterdust, no doubt) foes when you've got the proper spells prepared, and then seem to be saying "see, it's not that risky."I'll repeat myself: I have problems with save balances. I have problems with save or die spells as implemented by the game, even. But color me unimpressed by your carefully crafted scenario. Even if it pops up, so what? "Your character was very effective this encounter! All fun is lost!" I'm not even sure what the problem is with a very focused character shining every once in a while is.</blockquote>

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