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<blockquote data-quote="takyris" data-source="post: 1220180" data-attributes="member: 5171">Yo, JD,No kidding.&nbsp; Currently, starting a topic on the New Weird on a writing messageboard is a conversation-starter roughly akin to arriving at ENWorld and posting something like &quot;Hey, I'm not sure I like the ranger... I wanted him to be like Drizzt, but isn't two-weapon fighting kind of weak in this version of D&amp;D?&quot;You've got people saying that the New Weird is overrated, trying to be self-consciously cool and different when, in fact, they couldn't exist without the Old Weird -- and instead of being actually new and different, they're just coming up with new ideas and then ramming them into old stories.&nbsp; You've got people saying that the New Weird is making fantasy the new &quot;Literature of Ideas&quot; (and if New Weird is the Ranger-discussion of writing boards, &quot;Literature of Ideas&quot; is the &quot;roleplaying or rollplaying&quot; discussion of writing boards).&nbsp; You've got people saying that it's an attempt to represent social concepts that couldn't be represented by traditional &quot;white people, with elves and dwarves instead of non-white people&quot; fantasy.&nbsp; You've got people saying that New Weird is fantasy that breaks the rules of fantasy.&nbsp; You've got people saying that New Weird is fantasy that turns fantasy into a science rather than a faith system.Really, the New Weird is this blurrily defined area of land.&nbsp; Some people seem to be definitely inside it, some people seem to be definitely outside it, and some people keep yelling that the line is totally over there and that everyone else is just too stupid to understand the line in the first place.So yeah.&nbsp; If you get a definition that works and that can be objectively applied, go for it.&nbsp; The SF&amp;F writing community has gotten into enormous arguments about what Space Opera is and is not, and what qualifies as Space Opera these days -- and Space Opera, to my mind, is a heckuva lot easier to define than New Weird. <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile&nbsp; &nbsp; :)"&nbsp; data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" /></blockquote>

[QUOTE="takyris, post: 1220180, member: 5171"] Yo, JD, No kidding. Currently, starting a topic on the New Weird on a writing messageboard is a conversation-starter roughly akin to arriving at ENWorld and posting something like "Hey, I'm not sure I like the ranger... I wanted him to be like Drizzt, but isn't two-weapon fighting kind of weak in this version of D&D?" You've got people saying that the New Weird is overrated, trying to be self-consciously cool and different when, in fact, they couldn't exist without the Old Weird -- and instead of being [b]actually[/b] new and different, they're just coming up with new ideas and then ramming them into old stories. You've got people saying that the New Weird is making fantasy the new "Literature of Ideas" (and if New Weird is the Ranger-discussion of writing boards, "Literature of Ideas" is the "[b]role[/b]playing or [b]roll[/b]playing" discussion of writing boards). You've got people saying that it's an attempt to represent social concepts that couldn't be represented by traditional "white people, with elves and dwarves instead of non-white people" fantasy. You've got people saying that New Weird is fantasy that breaks the rules of fantasy. You've got people saying that New Weird is fantasy that turns fantasy into a science rather than a faith system. Really, the New Weird is this blurrily defined area of land. Some people seem to be definitely inside it, some people seem to be definitely outside it, and some people keep yelling that the line is totally over there and that everyone else is just too stupid to understand the line in the first place. So yeah. If you get a definition that works and that can be objectively applied, go for it. The SF&F writing community has gotten into enormous arguments about what Space Opera is and is not, and what qualifies as Space Opera these days -- and Space Opera, to my mind, is a heckuva lot easier to define than New Weird. :) [/QUOTE]

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