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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Celebrim" data-source="post: 7345130" data-attributes="member: 4937">I'd agree with that.  Savage Worlds encourages play in a narrower range of power levels.  Your starting character is not quite as narrow or shallow in their power as a first level character, and will never be quite as potent as a high level D&D character.  While I being honest about the fact that a player in my game is basically playing an archer with telepathic, telekinetic and precognitive powers, it's also true that the concept really doesn't get to where the player intends it to be (what [MENTION=85870]innerdude[/MENTION] describes as "bad-ass") until like 4th level or so owing to the need to multiclass and acquire the right feats.  In that sense, SW is trying to force play into the span that a lot of players consider D&D's sweet spot.   And to a large extent, I'm OK with that.  It's other areas of the rules that I find less satisfying.Absolutely.   My problems with SW are largely in its fortune system which I find manages to be both unnecessarily complex and too limiting at the same time.   But could you play a game that is basically D&D with SW?   Sure.  Heck, with the right GM I'd probably enjoy SW.   I just don't want to run it, and don't feel it adds anything I couldn't already do with a D20 game.   FATE on the other hand has a ton of issues for me.   Again, I find its dice pools hit a bad spot that is both unnecessarily complex and too limiting at the same time, but I also feel the game has a ton of other facets that just aren't to my taste.  I'm fairly sure based on what I've read in the rules and what I've seen of how the game is played, that I could not enjoy a game of FATE at all.  Exactly why requires a really long essay and video review I don't have the time to compose at the moment, but suffice to say for now that FATE explicitly describes the social contract that it wants the game to take place under and weaves that social contract into its mechanics and that social contract contradicts the social contract that I make with my players or expect my GM when I am a player to maintain.   This happens because the creators of FATE where cognizant of the things I'm talking about in a way that prior RPG creators probably couldn't verbalize as well, and made decisions about what sort of game people ought to play that may suit themselves but don't necessarily suit everyone.  (I actually even question whether the game that they made meets their own goals, but that's an even more difficult matter to resolve.  Certainly FATE is going to have its defenders, though for the life of me I don't know why.)</blockquote>

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