Menu
News
All News
Dungeons & Dragons
Level Up: Advanced 5th Edition
Pathfinder
Starfinder
Warhammer
2d20 System
Year Zero Engine
Industry News
Reviews
Dragon Reflections
White Dwarf Reflections
Columns
Weekly Digests
Weekly News Digest
Freebies, Sales & Bundles
RPG Print News
RPG Crowdfunding News
Game Content
ENterplanetary DimENsions
Mythological Figures
Opinion
Worlds of Design
Peregrine's Nest
RPG Evolution
Other Columns
From the Freelancing Frontline
Monster ENcyclopedia
WotC/TSR Alumni Look Back
4 Hours w/RSD (Ryan Dancey)
The Road to 3E (Jonathan Tweet)
Greenwood's Realms (Ed Greenwood)
Drawmij's TSR (Jim Ward)
Community
Forums & Topics
Forum List
Latest Posts
Forum list
*Dungeons & Dragons
Level Up: Advanced 5th Edition
D&D Older Editions
*TTRPGs General
*Pathfinder & Starfinder
EN Publishing
*Geek Talk & Media
Search forums
Chat/Discord
Resources
Wiki
Pages
Latest activity
Media
New media
New comments
Search media
Downloads
Latest reviews
Search resources
EN Publishing
Store
EN5ider
Adventures in ZEITGEIST
Awfully Cheerful Engine
What's OLD is NEW
Judge Dredd & The Worlds Of 2000AD
War of the Burning Sky
Level Up: Advanced 5E
Events & Releases
Upcoming Events
Private Events
Featured Events
Socials!
EN Publishing
Twitter
BlueSky
Facebook
Instagram
EN World
BlueSky
YouTube
Facebook
Twitter
Twitch
Podcast
Features
Top 5 RPGs Compiled Charts 2004-Present
Adventure Game Industry Market Research Summary (RPGs) V1.0
Ryan Dancey: Acquiring TSR
Q&A With Gary Gygax
D&D Rules FAQs
TSR, WotC, & Paizo: A Comparative History
D&D Pronunciation Guide
Million Dollar TTRPG Kickstarters
Tabletop RPG Podcast Hall of Fame
Eric Noah's Unofficial D&D 3rd Edition News
D&D in the Mainstream
D&D & RPG History
About Morrus
Log in
Register
What's new
Search
Search
Search titles only
By:
Forums & Topics
Forum List
Latest Posts
Forum list
*Dungeons & Dragons
Level Up: Advanced 5th Edition
D&D Older Editions
*TTRPGs General
*Pathfinder & Starfinder
EN Publishing
*Geek Talk & Media
Search forums
Chat/Discord
Menu
Log in
Register
Install the app
Install
Community
General Tabletop Discussion
*Dungeons & Dragons
So what exactly is Wizards working on?
JavaScript is disabled. For a better experience, please enable JavaScript in your browser before proceeding.
You are using an out of date browser. It may not display this or other websites correctly.
You should upgrade or use an
alternative browser
.
Reply to thread
Message
<blockquote data-quote="Majoru Oakheart" data-source="post: 6556699" data-attributes="member: 5143"><p>The shareholders of WOTC know the company's profits will be fine. They sell Magic, which makes WAY more money than D&D. Their D&D plans don't even show up. Plus, I don't even think WOTC is publicly traded at all. It's owned by Hasbro who is publicly traded. Their D&D plans will not affect the stock in any way at all.</p><p></p><p>Except for all the people who loved 4e, the large number of books sold, and the large number of people I can't convince to play 5e at our local stores because (and I quote) "4e was the best edition of D&D and I can't believe WOTC is trying to sell us this stupid 5e", you'd likely be right. Our local store went from 16 people playing D&D Encounters to 6. The other 10 explicitly stated they were quitting because it wasn't 4e anymore.</p><p></p><p>They were right that 4e would appeal to a lot of people that 3e didn't appeal to. Our group switched. A LOT of people liked it better. Many of them were from within the Organized Play community. I was a volunteer for WOTC during Living Greyhawk. A large number of people were super happy to see things we'd hope would be fixed for years finally being fixed in 4e. WOTC listened to us because we were the people they had the most direct contact with. We were the people filling their game rooms at GenCon and Origins where WOTC employees actually had the time to talk to customers directly.</p><p></p><p>Our issues were about game balance and consistency. We wanted every table to be DMed exactly the same and we wanted everyone who showed up at the table to be equal in power and in agency in the game. We voiced those concerns and got a game with greater rules, greater consistency and greater balance.</p><p></p><p>The fact that there is an extremely vocal community of people who absolutely hated it did not mean that WOTC wasn't listening to their customers when they designed 4e. They just happened to listen to a group of their customers who had different priorities than another section of their customers.</p><p></p><p></p><p>I believe there are only so many GOOD ideas before you start getting to "alright" ideas. The books near the end of 3e were starting to be stale and kind of boring. I truly think 3e managed to exhaust all the good ideas. I think the number of books released from the beginning of the cycle to the end of the cycle was about the limit before they HAD to release a new edition or end up released "Complete Sock Drawer" as a book.</p><p></p><p>So, assuming this is true, then you don't want to release all of the books at once because then you have nothing left to sell and all of your jobs go away. D&D is a niche brand. Niche brands rely on good will to prosper. Fans will continue to buy books year after year because they *LIKE* D&D and they have good feelings towards it. If the general opinion of their books is that the last one was stupid and was filled with bad ideas that weren't playtested well enough then no one will buy their next book.</p><p></p><p>For a company like WOTC who already makes 95% of their money off of a different product, they would rather have a small team dedicated to D&D who releases 2 or 3 products a year that barely make enough money to keep the department open as a labor of love for something they loved as kids than to exhaust all of their good will wringing all the money they can out of it and letting it die.</p><p></p><p>They have the luxury of not caring so much about how much profit they make on D&D. If D&D breaks even and they can make a movie deal and a video game deal and use those contracts as profits...then perfect. If breaking even on the game means that 10 years from now people are still saying "I loved D&D! It's great. There's an expansion coming out for it in 6 months! And Sword Coast Legends 3 is coming out this year! That'll be awesome. Also, I just bought the new Forgotten Realms novel and the D&D movie 2 is being released in December!" then they are happy. If people are saying 5 years from now "There's another edition of D&D coming out? Yeah, I'm tired of this crap. I'm getting off....WOTC ruined D&D and they aren't getting any more of MY money. Especially after I bought a book a month for 5 years now!" then they will have to shelf D&D and never release anything again. That isn't good for anyone.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Majoru Oakheart, post: 6556699, member: 5143"] The shareholders of WOTC know the company's profits will be fine. They sell Magic, which makes WAY more money than D&D. Their D&D plans don't even show up. Plus, I don't even think WOTC is publicly traded at all. It's owned by Hasbro who is publicly traded. Their D&D plans will not affect the stock in any way at all. Except for all the people who loved 4e, the large number of books sold, and the large number of people I can't convince to play 5e at our local stores because (and I quote) "4e was the best edition of D&D and I can't believe WOTC is trying to sell us this stupid 5e", you'd likely be right. Our local store went from 16 people playing D&D Encounters to 6. The other 10 explicitly stated they were quitting because it wasn't 4e anymore. They were right that 4e would appeal to a lot of people that 3e didn't appeal to. Our group switched. A LOT of people liked it better. Many of them were from within the Organized Play community. I was a volunteer for WOTC during Living Greyhawk. A large number of people were super happy to see things we'd hope would be fixed for years finally being fixed in 4e. WOTC listened to us because we were the people they had the most direct contact with. We were the people filling their game rooms at GenCon and Origins where WOTC employees actually had the time to talk to customers directly. Our issues were about game balance and consistency. We wanted every table to be DMed exactly the same and we wanted everyone who showed up at the table to be equal in power and in agency in the game. We voiced those concerns and got a game with greater rules, greater consistency and greater balance. The fact that there is an extremely vocal community of people who absolutely hated it did not mean that WOTC wasn't listening to their customers when they designed 4e. They just happened to listen to a group of their customers who had different priorities than another section of their customers. I believe there are only so many GOOD ideas before you start getting to "alright" ideas. The books near the end of 3e were starting to be stale and kind of boring. I truly think 3e managed to exhaust all the good ideas. I think the number of books released from the beginning of the cycle to the end of the cycle was about the limit before they HAD to release a new edition or end up released "Complete Sock Drawer" as a book. So, assuming this is true, then you don't want to release all of the books at once because then you have nothing left to sell and all of your jobs go away. D&D is a niche brand. Niche brands rely on good will to prosper. Fans will continue to buy books year after year because they *LIKE* D&D and they have good feelings towards it. If the general opinion of their books is that the last one was stupid and was filled with bad ideas that weren't playtested well enough then no one will buy their next book. For a company like WOTC who already makes 95% of their money off of a different product, they would rather have a small team dedicated to D&D who releases 2 or 3 products a year that barely make enough money to keep the department open as a labor of love for something they loved as kids than to exhaust all of their good will wringing all the money they can out of it and letting it die. They have the luxury of not caring so much about how much profit they make on D&D. If D&D breaks even and they can make a movie deal and a video game deal and use those contracts as profits...then perfect. If breaking even on the game means that 10 years from now people are still saying "I loved D&D! It's great. There's an expansion coming out for it in 6 months! And Sword Coast Legends 3 is coming out this year! That'll be awesome. Also, I just bought the new Forgotten Realms novel and the D&D movie 2 is being released in December!" then they are happy. If people are saying 5 years from now "There's another edition of D&D coming out? Yeah, I'm tired of this crap. I'm getting off....WOTC ruined D&D and they aren't getting any more of MY money. Especially after I bought a book a month for 5 years now!" then they will have to shelf D&D and never release anything again. That isn't good for anyone. [/QUOTE]
Insert quotes…
Verification
Post reply
Community
General Tabletop Discussion
*Dungeons & Dragons
So what exactly is Wizards working on?
Top