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<blockquote data-quote="Sword of Spirit" data-source="post: 6887251" data-attributes="member: 6677017"><p>Yes they did, based on how you defined major design choices. As far as I recall (and I read, watched, and scoured pretty much everything from the design team during the playtest), they never said that they didn't have that sort of thing already figured out. They weren't coming to the fans saying, "Hey guys! Let's make a never version of D&D! Suggestions?" They had a vision, and they asked for a lot of ongoing feedback to make sure they hit it.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>I can see why you might have gotten that impression. From what I remember being told, I'm pretty sure that Trevor at least scanned the forums and reported what he felt was significant to the rest of the team. So Mike was not oblivious to the content of the online discussions.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Nope. The 2 or more surveys had over 100,000 responses. That's very statistically significant, so I think they can have a great degree of confidence that they are getting good data. Unless the questions weren't phrased the best (sometimes that was the case).</p><p></p><p>[quoteI was one of 'em - I kept filling out those surveys to the bitter end. But, I was all but alone in that among the 40-60 gamers who frequented our FLGS. I could dragoon maybe a half-dozen of them at a time into playing at my playtest table, but, even when they had definite opinions, they wouldn't bother with the surveys.</p></blockquote><p></p><p>Yeah, in my group of gamers it was almost impossible to get anyone else to take the surveys--even those who were playing the Next game I was running. It bugged me because I knew they were going to find things to complain about with the final results, but they wouldn't take the surveys that informed those results.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>While I am by no means a legal expert, I wouldn't be at all surprised if, despite the WotC forums probably saying in the user agreement that they could use anything we posted there, they were reluctant to directly use any specifically detailed system presented to them for fear of some sort of lawsuit getting possibly cooked up. It is entirely possible that posting a specific system is a guarantee it wouldn't get used. For that reason I intentionally never gave highly specific details for new systems in my feedback (and I feel a lot of it was taken into account).</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Yeah, WotC explicitly put a ninja in the 5e PHB, and many people still haven't found it. (Clue: 2nd sentence of 1st paragraph after "Way of the Shadow" on p.80)</p><p></p><p>Of course, the ninja in the 3e PHB is a little harder to find...</p><p>[/QUOTE]</p>
[QUOTE="Sword of Spirit, post: 6887251, member: 6677017"] Yes they did, based on how you defined major design choices. As far as I recall (and I read, watched, and scoured pretty much everything from the design team during the playtest), they never said that they didn't have that sort of thing already figured out. They weren't coming to the fans saying, "Hey guys! Let's make a never version of D&D! Suggestions?" They had a vision, and they asked for a lot of ongoing feedback to make sure they hit it. I can see why you might have gotten that impression. From what I remember being told, I'm pretty sure that Trevor at least scanned the forums and reported what he felt was significant to the rest of the team. So Mike was not oblivious to the content of the online discussions. Nope. The 2 or more surveys had over 100,000 responses. That's very statistically significant, so I think they can have a great degree of confidence that they are getting good data. Unless the questions weren't phrased the best (sometimes that was the case). [quoteI was one of 'em - I kept filling out those surveys to the bitter end. But, I was all but alone in that among the 40-60 gamers who frequented our FLGS. I could dragoon maybe a half-dozen of them at a time into playing at my playtest table, but, even when they had definite opinions, they wouldn't bother with the surveys. [/QUOTE] Yeah, in my group of gamers it was almost impossible to get anyone else to take the surveys--even those who were playing the Next game I was running. It bugged me because I knew they were going to find things to complain about with the final results, but they wouldn't take the surveys that informed those results. While I am by no means a legal expert, I wouldn't be at all surprised if, despite the WotC forums probably saying in the user agreement that they could use anything we posted there, they were reluctant to directly use any specifically detailed system presented to them for fear of some sort of lawsuit getting possibly cooked up. It is entirely possible that posting a specific system is a guarantee it wouldn't get used. For that reason I intentionally never gave highly specific details for new systems in my feedback (and I feel a lot of it was taken into account). Yeah, WotC explicitly put a ninja in the 5e PHB, and many people still haven't found it. (Clue: 2nd sentence of 1st paragraph after "Way of the Shadow" on p.80) Of course, the ninja in the 3e PHB is a little harder to find... [/QUOTE]
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