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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Holy Bovine" data-source="post: 5329800" data-attributes="member: 203"><p>First off - I agree with what you are saying and that is probably the most succinct definition of 'gamist' as it relates to various editions of D&D I have seen.  What I find interesting is I am thinking of one player in my 4E group who came from 1E exclusively and hadn't played D&D for nearly 20 years before he joined up with the 4E group.  He had a very negative reaction when the group met something in game that was meant to challenge the players as opposed to the PCs.  Considering he hadn't played since before 2E came out it was quite a surprise to me that he would find the situation so annoying.  People got different things from every edition of the game but you certainly describe my personal relationship with each edition quite well.</p></blockquote><p></p>