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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Darrin Drader" data-source="post: 4495622" data-attributes="member: 7394">This! The rules should facilitate task resolution. Combat is one type of task resolution, social interactions is another. Consistency throughout the various aspects should be one of the stated design goals. 3.5 had consistency; what it lacked at the upper levels was scalability. 4E lacks consistency but the scalability is slightly better. How does sacrificing consistency make any sense, especially after there was such an emphasis on exactly that in the previous edition? My ultimate goal is for people to honestly evaluate what it is we're being asked to spend their money on. Is this new edition truly an improvement upon the previous? In my opinion, and the opinion of many others, no, it's not. You're paying more for less. And it isn't just a little bit less, it's a lot less. Again, I don't have the wordcounts, but if I had to venture a guess, I'd imagine that because of the horribly ineffeicient use of space, you're only getting about 40% of the material in the 4E core books that you did in the 3.5. That's where we disagree. The anger comes from the fact that WotC intentionally passed off a game that doesn't measure up to its own standards. Those of us who see it would very much like it if those who bought in would set aside the talking points marketing spoon fed everyone before release and be honest. WotC shortchanged us with this edition and now we either have to live with it for the five to eight year cycle, or we have to abandon it. The failure was WotC's for putting out a product that they knew would not going to go over well with much of its audience. With some amount of restructuring, they could have produced something that meets their goal of appealiong to new players while also satisfying the people who have been playing for years and know they deserve the same value for the dollar that they've received in the past. How many times have I read 4E players say that they have to wait for future books for things that used to be part of the core rules? It's almost every time I open a thread around here!WotC fails with 4E because they put corporate greed first. Do they have the right to make money? Absolutely. However, this is, in my mind, a pretty clear case where satisfying their greed comes at our expense. If you're fine with this, then by all means, carry on. Keep paying too much to rebuy the material you should have gotten in the first three books. Just please be honest with yourselves about what you're getting.</blockquote>

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