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<blockquote data-quote="Oofta" data-source="post: 9048731" data-attributes="member: 6801845">I've played in and run campaigns to max level, they are a lot of fun.&nbsp; Yes, they get a bit gonzo and as a DM it can be interesting to challenge the group but I've found finding the right balance a bit tricky at all levels.&nbsp; So far 5E is the best experience I've had at high level, it's still a really fun experience.&nbsp; I'd discuss issues I had with previous editions but that tends to lead to edition wars.I do run my 5E games a bit different than some.&nbsp; I use the alternate rest rules so a short rest is overnight and a long rest is several days to a week, but that's mostly for pacing and because I think it should take a bit longer than overnight to recover.&nbsp; Plane shift is a ritual but requires that you find a pathway first and then it just opens a gate and a couple others.I would say the only drawback I find to high level play in 5E is the lack of high level opponents, especially humanoids.&nbsp; Look up high level medium sized monsters and most of them are just a lich with a name.&nbsp;&nbsp; <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f641.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":(" title="Frown&nbsp; &nbsp; :("&nbsp; data-smilie="3"data-shortname=":(" />&nbsp; It's fun to have that gargantuan ancient dracolich show up (I used a lawn ornament for the mini), but otherwise I end up creating custom bad guys or increasing the level of an existing monsters.&nbsp; On the other hand, the group had a tough time with a handful of frost worms (slightly upgraded version of purple worms), it will be interesting to see how they deal with the kraken and his buddies.&nbsp; <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f608.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":devilish:" title="Devil&nbsp; &nbsp; :devilish:"&nbsp; data-smilie="29"data-shortname=":devilish:" />So I have fun with it whether playing or DMing.&nbsp; I don't have a problem challenging PCs as a DM, I enjoy the challenge.&nbsp; High level casters have really powerful spells, but they still only have a handful.&nbsp; PCs have a lot of HP but when you have monsters that does an AOE that can do close to a hundred points of damage that has a save DC in the 20s, that becomes less of an issue.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Oofta, post: 9048731, member: 6801845"] I've played in and run campaigns to max level, they are a lot of fun. Yes, they get a bit gonzo and as a DM it can be interesting to challenge the group but I've found finding the right balance a bit tricky at all levels. So far 5E is the best experience I've had at high level, it's still a really fun experience. I'd discuss issues I had with previous editions but that tends to lead to edition wars. I do run my 5E games a bit different than some. I use the alternate rest rules so a short rest is overnight and a long rest is several days to a week, but that's mostly for pacing and because I think it should take a bit longer than overnight to recover. Plane shift is a ritual but requires that you find a pathway first and then it just opens a gate and a couple others. I would say the only drawback I find to high level play in 5E is the lack of high level opponents, especially humanoids. Look up high level medium sized monsters and most of them are just a lich with a name. :( It's fun to have that gargantuan ancient dracolich show up (I used a lawn ornament for the mini), but otherwise I end up creating custom bad guys or increasing the level of an existing monsters. On the other hand, the group had a tough time with a handful of frost worms (slightly upgraded version of purple worms), it will be interesting to see how they deal with the kraken and his buddies. :devilish: So I have fun with it whether playing or DMing. I don't have a problem challenging PCs as a DM, I enjoy the challenge. High level casters have really powerful spells, but they still only have a handful. PCs have a lot of HP but when you have monsters that does an AOE that can do close to a hundred points of damage that has a save DC in the 20s, that becomes less of an issue. [/QUOTE]

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