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Message: <blockquote data-quote="EzekielRaiden" data-source="post: 9052832" data-attributes="member: 6790260">It really only "works"--in the sense of every PC getting to have fun gameplay--if everyone is pushing the envelope at least a bit (and probably more than a bit.)I joined a mid-teens gestalt game that then upgraded to Epic (intending to freshen things up...it didn't go as well as the participants would have liked.) Basically they'd had a guy for a long time but he had to leave the game, so they looked for a replacement, and went with me. Rules defaulted to PF1e standards, but with specific 3.5e rules elements, and all (non-Dragon) 3.5e content was implicitly approved, plus some pre-approved homebrew stuff. We had, off the top of my head...<ul> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">First player was doing an unusual rogue-based thing initially, I don't think I ever fully understood what was going on with it. When we went Epic, he flipped to a "good undead" Sarenrae...paladin-bard-hybrid thing. Both were quite powerful, but pretty specialized.</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">Second was a classic "Omniscificer," artificer cheesed out the wazoo. Wasn't too bad at the teen levels, but when we went Epic he became nearly omnipotent, having a near-unlimited supply of free resources for spontaneously creating magic items and the ability to craft a custom magic item in, I'm not joking, seconds as opposed to the weeks of work normally required. Probably the most powerful character present.</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">Third was copper dragon Sorcerer/Incantatrix, with Bard and Paladin for support effects.</li> </ul>And, to be clear, I wasn't a slouch either. Gestalt Druid/Planar Shepherd (Syrenia, fluffed as Celestia)||Wizard/Geomancer/Archmage. With the Pathfinder rules, I had like seven different ways of boosting my caster on demand, and 3.5e added several other continuous passive buffs and more cumbersome (read: "for morning buff phase only") options. Because of Geomancer and the obscure 3.5e feat Academic Priest, all of the characteristics of my Druid spellcasting worked off of Intelligence rather than Wisdom, so I was able to hyperfocus on Int and Cha and leave most everything else out. Shapeshift forms attended to any physical stat needs, as those were based on 3.5e rules, and I had enough spells to rout armies and feed large towns. Fluff and flavor built off more or less the Circle of Stars concept, albeit before that released--character was a scholar of the planes, raised by an adoptive dragon mother and human father, the former taught him wizardry, the latter druidry, which he fused together into something greater.We could demolish whatever the DM threw at us. They even got real tricksy once, and created an illusionist (or perhaps shadowcaster? not sure) opponent, whose illusions were more than 100% real and which became MORE real if you succeeded on your save against them! That was actually a bit tough, but we won the day within like four or five rounds nonetheless.So, yeah, I've seen what happens when you play in a game where a fully SAD gestalt Planar Shepherd/Wizard isn't even the most powerful character, and it really does become a nightmare to DM. I felt so bad for them. It was very fun to play, though, as long as you remembered all the moving parts.</blockquote>

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