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So what races and classes do we consider core?
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<blockquote data-quote="Desdichado" data-source="post: 5772707" data-attributes="member: 2205"><p>Me too.</p><p></p><p>Although I have to wonder--is it too radical a notion to <em>not</em> ask people what they think the core races and classes should be, but instead ask what races and classes that they've played, and base the core races and classes of the "new iteration" on the results of that poll?</p><p></p><p>If everyone says--for example--that the gnome has to be a core race, but we find that gnome playing is a paltry fraction of a single percentage point--wouldn't it be smarter to ignore the (admittedly loud) voices that call for gnome inclusion in favor of something that people are actually more willing to use?</p><p></p><p>Although they're not traditional per se, I bet we'd find that the Dragonborn and Tieflings were actually pretty popular additions to the game; quite possibly more popular than other sacred cows that have hung out because of reluctance to buck tradition. Same could be true across classes.</p><p></p><p>Arguably 4e did that, and arguably WotC fell on their face with it, but I'd say that that's a problem with execution and communication, not with the fact that they did it in the first place. If they'd come forward in an open manner before release and said, "hey, folks, market research suggests that such and such alternative races/classes are extremely popular and such and such core races/classes hardly get any play at all, so here's what we're going to do--craft a race and class list that is more based around what people <em>like playing</em> than around a traditional list that is included just because. But don't worry, folks! If you're one of the fans of the race/class that polled poorly, you'll still get a chance to use them when we release such and such supplement that will include lower tier race/class options." I think that would have gone over a lot better than the way that tieflings and dragonborns replaced gnomes, which came across as slightly condescending and "dictate from on high" rather than, "WotC has their finger on the pulse of their market." Even if it turns out to be so that they did.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Desdichado, post: 5772707, member: 2205"] Me too. Although I have to wonder--is it too radical a notion to [I]not[/I] ask people what they think the core races and classes should be, but instead ask what races and classes that they've played, and base the core races and classes of the "new iteration" on the results of that poll? If everyone says--for example--that the gnome has to be a core race, but we find that gnome playing is a paltry fraction of a single percentage point--wouldn't it be smarter to ignore the (admittedly loud) voices that call for gnome inclusion in favor of something that people are actually more willing to use? Although they're not traditional per se, I bet we'd find that the Dragonborn and Tieflings were actually pretty popular additions to the game; quite possibly more popular than other sacred cows that have hung out because of reluctance to buck tradition. Same could be true across classes. Arguably 4e did that, and arguably WotC fell on their face with it, but I'd say that that's a problem with execution and communication, not with the fact that they did it in the first place. If they'd come forward in an open manner before release and said, "hey, folks, market research suggests that such and such alternative races/classes are extremely popular and such and such core races/classes hardly get any play at all, so here's what we're going to do--craft a race and class list that is more based around what people [I]like playing[/I] than around a traditional list that is included just because. But don't worry, folks! If you're one of the fans of the race/class that polled poorly, you'll still get a chance to use them when we release such and such supplement that will include lower tier race/class options." I think that would have gone over a lot better than the way that tieflings and dragonborns replaced gnomes, which came across as slightly condescending and "dictate from on high" rather than, "WotC has their finger on the pulse of their market." Even if it turns out to be so that they did. [/QUOTE]
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