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<blockquote data-quote="Thorgrim Sekkrhrafn" data-source="post: 5775949" data-attributes="member: 54900">Oh sure, we've shoehorned in modern sensibilities to some extent into the modern fantasy genre but fantasy--high fantasy at least--is still feudalism, the divine right of kings, etc. Hardly progressive in the modern, Lefty definition of the term.&nbsp;But all of that's fine. I understand that. My comment was meant to prod at the oddly disconnected nature of the original's. 'Race' isn't a 'bad' (whatever that is; and by saying something is 'bad' you're making a value judgment already) term. It describes phenotypical characteristics. So what? We could call it 'species' and be done with it but if we do it should be because that's a more accurate term to use, not because we're concerned about...what? Why fulminate over the term 'race'? Who are you 'offending' with it? And if that person's offended by the term but has no problem cleaving through the skulls of creatures who don't look like him or her (I'm looking at you, Orcs and Kobolds) then there's some strange bit o' cogno-disso working there as well.&nbsp;I just remember the Bad Old Days of early 2E, wondering where my Half-Orc Assassin was, why there was no devils or demons. That was PC (though from the Right). Change for the sake of fearing to offend if mentioned otherwise. Though I must admit, late 2E more than made up for it. I was/am a huge Planescape fiend.&nbsp;Let's just call a spade a spade. 'Race' works but if you have to change it--and I don't think you do--call it 'Species'.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Thorgrim Sekkrhrafn, post: 5775949, member: 54900"] Oh sure, we've shoehorned in modern sensibilities to some extent into the modern fantasy genre but fantasy--high fantasy at least--is still feudalism, the divine right of kings, etc. Hardly progressive in the modern, Lefty definition of the term. But all of that's fine. I understand that. My comment was meant to prod at the oddly disconnected nature of the original's. 'Race' isn't a 'bad' (whatever that is; and by saying something is 'bad' you're making a value judgment already) term. It describes phenotypical characteristics. So what? We could call it 'species' and be done with it but if we do it should be because that's a more [B][I]accurate[/I][/B] term to use, not because we're concerned about...what? Why fulminate over the term 'race'? Who are you 'offending' with it? And if that person's offended by the term but has no problem cleaving through the skulls of creatures who don't look like him or her (I'm looking at you, Orcs and Kobolds) then there's some strange bit o' cogno-disso working there as well. I just remember the Bad Old Days of early 2E, wondering where my Half-Orc Assassin was, why there was no devils or demons. That was PC (though from the Right). Change for the sake of fearing to offend if mentioned otherwise. Though I must admit, late 2E more than made up for it. I was/am a huge Planescape fiend. Let's just call a spade a spade. 'Race' works but if you have to change it--and I don't think you do--call it 'Species'. [/QUOTE]

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