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<blockquote data-quote="EzekielRaiden" data-source="post: 6657318" data-attributes="member: 6790260">What's wrong with the Fighter?Not enough inherent, declarative abilities with inarguable application to non-combat. Also, its few inherent, declarative, potentially-non-combat abilities applying FAR more profitably to combat, such that expending them anywhere else feels, and *may* even be mathematically, inferior to saving them for combat.Also, RA being completely outclassed by a generic (not subclass-specific) Bard ability while RA is Champ only, and &quot;Know Your Enemy&quot; being completely combat oriented, doesn't help.I would need to think carefully about what kinds if declarative abilities would be appropriate for the Fighter archetype, and would ideally want to come up with a range of options to mirror (if not link directly to) the range of fighting styles available. That way, the meaningful choice is &quot;what *ways* do I participate in each if the arenas of play (explicitly chosen to be important by the designers)?&quot; rather than &quot;should I *opt into* participating in the important arenas of play beyond what any warm body PC can do, or make my combat skills better?&quot;To my mind, the former question is a good choice that fosters creative play and encourages players to view every character as potentially important to any scene. The latter is a recipe for traps and disappointment, and encourages players to view their chars in a siloed manner. (I also think it reinforces the &quot;big dumb fighter/barb&quot; perception, which is an execrable flaw in a class supposedly ideal for new players.)</blockquote>

[QUOTE="EzekielRaiden, post: 6657318, member: 6790260"] What's wrong with the Fighter? Not enough inherent, declarative abilities with inarguable application to non-combat. Also, its few inherent, declarative, potentially-non-combat abilities applying FAR more profitably to combat, such that expending them anywhere else feels, and *may* even be mathematically, inferior to saving them for combat. Also, RA being completely outclassed by a generic (not subclass-specific) Bard ability while RA is Champ only, and "Know Your Enemy" being completely combat oriented, doesn't help. I would need to think carefully about what kinds if declarative abilities would be appropriate for the Fighter archetype, and would ideally want to come up with a range of options to mirror (if not link directly to) the range of fighting styles available. That way, the meaningful choice is "what *ways* do I participate in each if the arenas of play (explicitly chosen to be important by the designers)?" rather than "should I *opt into* participating in the important arenas of play beyond what any warm body PC can do, or make my combat skills better?" To my mind, the former question is a good choice that fosters creative play and encourages players to view every character as potentially important to any scene. The latter is a recipe for traps and disappointment, and encourages players to view their chars in a siloed manner. (I also think it reinforces the "big dumb fighter/barb" perception, which is an execrable flaw in a class supposedly ideal for new players.) [/QUOTE]

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