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<blockquote data-quote="FormerlyHemlock" data-source="post: 6658064" data-attributes="member: 6787650">Celtavian and I were discussing whether fighters or paladins make a better defensive tank, with and without Dodge. It was a tangent from the main discussion.I have yet to see a non-combat-oriented proposal for broadening the fighter's repertoire out of combat. During combat they are fine, I don't think that's even controversial, but I see occasional wistful comments from people like yourself asking for non-combat Vancian expendable (&quot;declarative&quot; in EzekielRaiden's terminology) options for the fighter. Since there is no proposal, there's no way to evaluate it as sensible vs. ridiculous. I will say that if I wanted to scratch that itch for myself, I'd probably look to equipment lists a la GURPS: High Tech/Low Tech instead of to pseudo-Vancian powers. I'd let you buy grappling hooks, superior plowshares, medical kits, sextants, blasting powder, heliographs, and better horseshoes (and fantastic mounts like Hippogriffs). Somehow I doubt that's the kind of thing you're looking for, but to the extent that I see a gap in 5E it is that lack of technological toys.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="FormerlyHemlock, post: 6658064, member: 6787650"] Celtavian and I were discussing whether fighters or paladins make a better defensive tank, with and without Dodge. It was a tangent from the main discussion. I have yet to see a non-combat-oriented proposal for broadening the fighter's repertoire out of combat. During combat they are fine, I don't think that's even controversial, but I see occasional wistful comments from people like yourself asking for non-combat Vancian expendable ("declarative" in EzekielRaiden's terminology) options for the fighter. Since there is no proposal, there's no way to evaluate it as sensible vs. ridiculous. I will say that if I wanted to scratch that itch for myself, I'd probably look to equipment lists a la GURPS: High Tech/Low Tech instead of to pseudo-Vancian powers. I'd let you buy grappling hooks, superior plowshares, medical kits, sextants, blasting powder, heliographs, and better horseshoes (and fantastic mounts like Hippogriffs). Somehow I doubt that's the kind of thing you're looking for, but to the extent that I see a gap in 5E it is that lack of technological toys. [/QUOTE]

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