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<blockquote data-quote="Celtavian" data-source="post: 6658136" data-attributes="member: 5834">This is very true. I've always advocated for more skills for the fighter and non-combat leadership abilities as an option. I've read extensively on ancient and modern warriors. The idea they focus on weapons training over everything else is absurd. They are usually highly skilled in a variety of areas necessary to their survival. The fighting man with no brains usually ends up dead or subordinate to the fighting man with brains. D&amp;D has never quite captured this feel for the fighting man. Just like I didn't understand the low will save in 3E. I felt a fighter more than any other class lacking the ability to overcome magic with magical means should have had two good saves at least. A choice between a good Fort and Will or Reflex. The Ranger ended up being a better example of a soldier than a fighter in Pathfinder.I would like any additional martial abilities to make sense. I don't mean make sense in terms of perfect application of physics, but make sense as far as verisimilitude is concerned. Battle-master has some nifty Declarative abilities. They are limited by Superiority Dice.It would be nice if they gave them a few non-combat abilities you can see a fighter having like Inspiring Others or non-combat medical healing. Though you can gain a few of these things with feats.I think fighter players would enjoy a cool non-combat ability or two that boosted group performance and desirability. I'm already starting to see a little bit of the 3E &quot;Fighters are cool for multiclass, but other classes are more fun to play up to high level&quot; effect from 3E. I'm getting level dipping of the fighter to pick up a fighting style and heavy armor, while they level up in other classes that get more interesting abilities.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Celtavian, post: 6658136, member: 5834"] This is very true. I've always advocated for more skills for the fighter and non-combat leadership abilities as an option. I've read extensively on ancient and modern warriors. The idea they focus on weapons training over everything else is absurd. They are usually highly skilled in a variety of areas necessary to their survival. The fighting man with no brains usually ends up dead or subordinate to the fighting man with brains. D&D has never quite captured this feel for the fighting man. Just like I didn't understand the low will save in 3E. I felt a fighter more than any other class lacking the ability to overcome magic with magical means should have had two good saves at least. A choice between a good Fort and Will or Reflex. The Ranger ended up being a better example of a soldier than a fighter in [I]Pathfinder[/I]. I would like any additional martial abilities to make sense. I don't mean make sense in terms of perfect application of physics, but make sense as far as verisimilitude is concerned. Battle-master has some nifty Declarative abilities. They are limited by Superiority Dice. It would be nice if they gave them a few non-combat abilities you can see a fighter having like Inspiring Others or non-combat medical healing. Though you can gain a few of these things with feats. I think fighter players would enjoy a cool non-combat ability or two that boosted group performance and desirability. I'm already starting to see a little bit of the 3E "Fighters are cool for multiclass, but other classes are more fun to play up to high level" effect from 3E. I'm getting level dipping of the fighter to pick up a fighting style and heavy armor, while they level up in other classes that get more interesting abilities. [/QUOTE]

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