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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Celtavian" data-source="post: 6658638" data-attributes="member: 5834">Wow. "Mother may I?" Is that the pejorative for DM control? The DM has final say rule has been in place...I don't know...since the beginning of the game. The same DM moderation that is there for any action not provided within the game rules text in any edition. That's a strange way to look at DM moderation. Just further shows how thankless DMing is. So many players want to do whatever they feel like doing while some other guy acts as their human AI running the game without impeding them in any fashion with his opinion or imagination. If the DM says no, there's a good reason for it isn't there? There's a solution in 5E as well called a feat. Crack the Shell Feat: Make a hit roll with Disadvantage, you hit the target lowering his AC by 2 and halving his move until the end of his next turn. There's also the possibility of a maneuver with a superiority dice being written up that works like above. Or even incorporating a general maneuver if you so wish. Expecting the DM to allow it on the fly might make some DMs uncomfortable. Some might allow it if they can create rules on the fly. Some would prefer to work on that between sessions and provide a rule after thinking on the matter some how to best to implement such a thing whether they want to make it a feat you can learn or a new Battlemaster Maneuver or allow it as a general maneuver. I don't see why this needs to be viewed in a negative fashion in any edition of D&D. Working with a DM to accomplish something as a character that satisfies both the character and DM is part of the game. The DM needs to ensure he isn't creating something too easy and unbalanced for use within a group whereas the player is only concerned with his own character and doesn't care how it affects the balance of the game or the ability of the group to trivialize encounters. Players complaining that the DM has final say is a selfish attitude given how many concerns the DM has to deal with before allowing a new rule. Once he allows, the player will expect him to allow it every time won't he? So it is in his purview to take the time to look at its overall effect on the game and construct a rule that works not only for the player, but for any player that wants to do it.4E's power structure was no better at this than feats in 3E or the various power constructs in 5E for accomplishing the same. It can be done. It doesn't need to remain "Mother May I?" It should be hashed out during a period where the DM has time to reflect on its effect on the game.</blockquote>

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