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<blockquote data-quote="Sacrosanct" data-source="post: 6659487" data-attributes="member: 15700">Wait, what?&nbsp; No you didn't.&nbsp; Nothing of the sort.&nbsp; All you proved was that in AD&amp;D you wouldn't even try because you knew &quot;it wouldn't even fly&quot; when obviously that's not the case.&nbsp; You actually proved MY point, not yours.&nbsp; The difference is that in the way I handled it, ANYONE could attempt it ANY TIME; you didn't need to be a 5th level fighter with that particular ability, and only be able to do it once per day.How is that more freeform?&nbsp; It's the opposite of more freeform because you wouldn't even try.&nbsp; Even now you doubled down and said you &quot;can't do it&quot; after we've already had a discussion that that isn't the case.&nbsp; Pardon me, but i have a hard time seeing how something that limits you more is &quot;more freeform&quot;.&nbsp; That's one of the most backwards things I've heard.I gotta say, this is one of the most baffling things I've heard every time it comes up.&nbsp; It is a universal truth that the less instructions you give, the more diverse and varied the outcome.&nbsp; This is not up for debate, and is something that everyone believes except 4e fans it seems.If you tell someone to make a paper airplane and that's it, you will get more variation than if you tell someone HOW to make the paper airplaneIf you tell someone to come up with an equation to get a desired result, you will get more variation than if you tell them how to do the equationIf I asked you all to come up with an animal, you'll get more variation than if I told you to come up with an animal that starts with a B.The less restrained you to come up with something, the more creative you will be as opposed to being restricted.&nbsp; Why this is even up for argument is beyond me.&nbsp; And every time it comes up in D&amp;D, the only response is &quot;because my DM may say no.&quot;&nbsp; If you won't think out of the box or try to be creative because you're worried you might not get your way?&nbsp; That's a you problem, sorry.&nbsp; It in no way disproves the universal truth that more freedom a person has, the more variation you're going to get.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Sacrosanct, post: 6659487, member: 15700"] Wait, what? No you didn't. Nothing of the sort. All you proved was that in AD&D you wouldn't even try because you knew "it wouldn't even fly" when obviously that's not the case. You actually proved MY point, not yours. The difference is that in the way I handled it, ANYONE could attempt it ANY TIME; you didn't need to be a 5th level fighter with that particular ability, and only be able to do it once per day. How is that more freeform? It's the opposite of more freeform because you wouldn't even try. Even now you doubled down and said you "can't do it" [i]after[/i] we've already had a discussion that that isn't the case. Pardon me, but i have a hard time seeing how something that limits you more is "more freeform". That's one of the most backwards things I've heard. I gotta say, this is one of the most baffling things I've heard every time it comes up. It is a universal truth that the less instructions you give, the more diverse and varied the outcome. This is not up for debate, and is something that everyone believes except 4e fans it seems. If you tell someone to make a paper airplane and that's it, you will get more variation than if you tell someone HOW to make the paper airplane If you tell someone to come up with an equation to get a desired result, you will get more variation than if you tell them how to do the equation If I asked you all to come up with an animal, you'll get more variation than if I told you to come up with an animal that starts with a B. The less restrained you to come up with something, the more creative you will be as opposed to being restricted. Why this is even up for argument is beyond me. And every time it comes up in D&D, the only response is "because my DM may say no." If you won't think out of the box or try to be creative because you're worried you might not get your way? That's a you problem, sorry. It in no way disproves the universal truth that more freedom a person has, the more variation you're going to get. [/QUOTE]

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