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<blockquote data-quote="Ashkelon" data-source="post: 6663948" data-attributes="member: 6774887">It depends on how much prejudice you have. HP are actually one of the most disassociated mechanics ever invented. You PC should not have a clue what they are, but the player does, and often makes decisions based on the amount of HP left. Then in 5e, you have things like HD, second wind, Action Surge, superiority dice, and indomitable which are are disassociated for various reasons.But, most people don't care about disassociated mechanics. In fact, they like them. For example gunslinger class from pathfinder is very popular and its mechanic (grit) is entirely disassociated. Luck related feats and abilities are also quite popular, and entirely disassociated. Really, only a few people seem to dislike disassociated mechanics, and they aren't even equal in their treatment of them. What they generally mean is they don't like such mechanics on martial warriors. They are perfectly fine with such mechanics on spellcasters or other complex PCs. They are perfectly fine with such mechanics that are ingrained parts of the system (saves and HP). It is only when agency is given to martial PCs that a these people get up in arms about disassociated mechanics.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Ashkelon, post: 6663948, member: 6774887"] It depends on how much prejudice you have. HP are actually one of the most disassociated mechanics ever invented. You PC should not have a clue what they are, but the player does, and often makes decisions based on the amount of HP left. Then in 5e, you have things like HD, second wind, Action Surge, superiority dice, and indomitable which are are disassociated for various reasons. But, most people don't care about disassociated mechanics. In fact, they like them. For example gunslinger class from pathfinder is very popular and its mechanic (grit) is entirely disassociated. Luck related feats and abilities are also quite popular, and entirely disassociated. Really, only a few people seem to dislike disassociated mechanics, and they aren't even equal in their treatment of them. What they generally mean is they don't like such mechanics on martial warriors. They are perfectly fine with such mechanics on spellcasters or other complex PCs. They are perfectly fine with such mechanics that are ingrained parts of the system (saves and HP). It is only when agency is given to martial PCs that a these people get up in arms about disassociated mechanics. [/QUOTE]

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