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<blockquote data-quote="Sacrosanct" data-source="post: 6664378" data-attributes="member: 15700">It's not a double standard at all.&nbsp; For one, there is PLENTY of literature and myths out there of heroes doing non-superhero things, and not having any superhero powers at all.&nbsp; Even right next to other magical creatures in the same book.&nbsp; Once you understand that, you'll understand how your entire premise is flawed.And the thread about &quot;do you enjoy fighters&quot;, there is an 80% response rate of them saying yes.&nbsp; Not to mention decades of D&amp;D where people had fun with mundane fighters.&nbsp; Or the survey results, which was a HUGE indicator that that's what people wanted, as evidenced by the inclusion of a champion fighter.Seriously, this whole idea of &quot;If I'm not having fun because the fighter doesn't have enough bells and whistles, then no on is&quot; is one of the most baffling positions I've seen.&nbsp; Even if I discarded all of the above, all this thread proves is that there is disagreement.&nbsp; Most certainly not what you're claiming.Objectively untrue.&nbsp; Rather than list them again, maybe you need to reread this thread, because many people have quite literally spelled out how this is not true.&nbsp; I know you've read the thread because you've replied to some of them, so maybe you have short term memory issues?&nbsp; No one is making that argument.&nbsp; The people who want the fighter to be mundane rather than magical are the same ones who are NOT complaining about &quot;all it can do is bash brains and block hits.&quot;&nbsp; It's actually the opposite.&nbsp; Those of us preferring a mundane fighter keep saying that it's not limited to bashing brains or blocking hits, because of this and that and this.&nbsp; The people complaining about only being able to bash are the same ones who want a magical or mythical fighter.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Sacrosanct, post: 6664378, member: 15700"] It's not a double standard at all. For one, there is PLENTY of literature and myths out there of heroes doing non-superhero things, and not having any superhero powers at all. Even right next to other magical creatures in the same book. Once you understand that, you'll understand how your entire premise is flawed. And the thread about "do you enjoy fighters", there is an 80% response rate of them saying yes. Not to mention decades of D&D where people had fun with mundane fighters. Or the survey results, which was a HUGE indicator that that's what people wanted, as evidenced by the inclusion of a champion fighter. Seriously, this whole idea of "If I'm not having fun because the fighter doesn't have enough bells and whistles, then no on is" is one of the most baffling positions I've seen. Even if I discarded all of the above, all this thread proves is that there is disagreement. Most certainly [b]not[/b] what you're claiming. Objectively untrue. Rather than list them again, maybe you need to reread this thread, because many people have quite literally spelled out how this is not true. I know you've read the thread because you've replied to some of them, so maybe you have short term memory issues? No one is making that argument. The people who want the fighter to be mundane rather than magical are the same ones who are NOT complaining about "all it can do is bash brains and block hits." It's actually the opposite. Those of us preferring a mundane fighter keep saying that it's [i]not[/i] limited to bashing brains or blocking hits, because of this and that and this. The people complaining about only being able to bash are the same ones who want a magical or mythical fighter. [/QUOTE]

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