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<blockquote data-quote="Sacrosanct" data-source="post: 6664386" data-attributes="member: 15700">Still not a double standard.&nbsp; Take the most popular fantasy book out there.&nbsp; Is it a double standard that Gandalf has magic, but most of the dwarves don't?&nbsp; The argument you're presenting is a preposterous one.&nbsp; The game world is the same, regardless of who lives in it, and everyone plays by the same rules.&nbsp; Every player is given a choice as to what type of PC they want to play.&nbsp; DMs are applying the same standard to everyone in their gameworld, whether that be inspired by The Hobbit or some other book or movie--all classes are held to the same genre standard. There is no double standard.&nbsp; you are the one who seems to be making the argument to ignore any myth or literature where mundanes are mundane, because this book over here happens to have someone who was magical.&nbsp;&nbsp; Your entire argument is based on the presumption that a person can't be mundane in a world with magic.&nbsp; Otherwise it makes no sense because I can apply the same LoTR standard to every PC, and have both mundane and magical together.Not only that, be we have literally decades of game play to look at, and tens of thousands of players who like it, to have magic be the mystical part and mundane to stay mundane.&nbsp; There's a reason why things like the OSR are still popular despite the last edition to officially support it was over 15 years ago, and a reason why there was a huge response of gamers to bring back a mundane fighter class.This right here says it all.&nbsp; The very fact that you think that if a class is mundane, they are &quot;an optionless beatstick&quot; despite numerous people giving example after example of how that is not true, tells me that you aren't even willing to get outside of your bias box or have an intellectually honest conversation.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Sacrosanct, post: 6664386, member: 15700"] Still not a double standard. Take the most popular fantasy book out there. Is it a double standard that Gandalf has magic, but most of the dwarves don't? The argument you're presenting is a preposterous one. The game world is the same, regardless of who lives in it, and everyone plays by the same rules. Every player is given a choice as to what type of PC they want to play. DMs are applying the [i]same[/i] standard to everyone in their gameworld, whether that be inspired by The Hobbit or some other book or movie--all classes are held to the same genre standard. There is no double standard. you are the one who seems to be making the argument to ignore any myth or literature where mundanes are mundane, because this book over here happens to have someone who was magical. Your entire argument is based on the presumption that a person can't be mundane in a world with magic. Otherwise it makes no sense because I can apply the same LoTR standard to every PC, and have both mundane and magical together. Not only that, be we have literally decades of game play to look at, and tens of thousands of players who like it, to have magic be the mystical part and mundane to stay mundane. There's a reason why things like the OSR are still popular despite the last edition to officially support it was over 15 years ago, and a reason why there was a huge response of gamers to bring back a mundane fighter class. This right here says it all. The very fact that you think that if a class is mundane, they are "an optionless beatstick" despite numerous people giving example after example of how that is not true, tells me that you aren't even willing to get outside of your bias box or have an intellectually honest conversation. [/QUOTE]

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