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<blockquote data-quote="Ashkelon" data-source="post: 6664604" data-attributes="member: 6774887">It hasn't even always been that way either. There are plenty examples of characters performing extraordinary tasks without needing to resort to supernatural abilities. In 2e, a high level fighter had ~90% chance to make any given saving throw. The high level 5e fighter has around 20% - 50% chance to make a save (depending on proficiency).In 3e, a high level fighter could wrestle a giant and win, knock such a creature back with powerful blows, control the battlefield with multiple opportunity attacks, jump 50 feet in the air, cut through solid steel walls with ease, and lift 20,000 lb boulders without breaking a sweat. In 5e, a fighter can't grapple or shove a creature larger than an ogre. The 5e fighter can lift only a small fraction of the weight, and can jump 8 feet up at most.Hell, even the 3e warblade couldn't do anything supernatural, but he could stun enemies, daze them, dash around the battlefield, hinder their movement, and otherwise create a variety of interesting martial effects that the 5e fighter simply cannot replicate.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Ashkelon, post: 6664604, member: 6774887"] It hasn't even always been that way either. There are plenty examples of characters performing extraordinary tasks without needing to resort to supernatural abilities. In 2e, a high level fighter had ~90% chance to make any given saving throw. The high level 5e fighter has around 20% - 50% chance to make a save (depending on proficiency). In 3e, a high level fighter could wrestle a giant and win, knock such a creature back with powerful blows, control the battlefield with multiple opportunity attacks, jump 50 feet in the air, cut through solid steel walls with ease, and lift 20,000 lb boulders without breaking a sweat. In 5e, a fighter can't grapple or shove a creature larger than an ogre. The 5e fighter can lift only a small fraction of the weight, and can jump 8 feet up at most. Hell, even the 3e warblade couldn't do anything supernatural, but he could stun enemies, daze them, dash around the battlefield, hinder their movement, and otherwise create a variety of interesting martial effects that the 5e fighter simply cannot replicate. [/QUOTE]

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