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<blockquote data-quote="EzekielRaiden" data-source="post: 6664663" data-attributes="member: 6790260">Didn't I just say that? I swear I said, admittedly as an edit to a post, &quot;100% Mythical...0% Mystical.&quot;I did, though in another thread. Since you asked, though, here's what I wrote:&quot;I also see plenty of reason to accommodate mythic figures like Cú Chulainn (or Conchobar mac Nessa if you want a non-demigod), Beowulf, Gilgamesh, Agamemnon, Odysseus, Sigurd, Sinbad, Samson, Ali-baba, Harun al-Rashid, Bharata, Karna, Liu Bei, Sun Wukong, and many others (ideally a more gender-mixed group--I suppose I should have added Atalanta, Scheherezade, Ruth, Rahab, Deborah, Scathach, Boudica, Joan of Arc, Wu Zetian, Hua Mulan, and a few more badass ladies.)&quot;You'll note that I've intentionally chosen both real/historical figures and myth/legend figures (and some which, depending on your point of view, might be one or the other or even both). Also, although some of the people on the list are in some way &quot;physically divine&quot; (children of various European polytheistic deities, human avatars of Hindu deities), most of them are not.I don't see Gilgamesh or Hercules as using &quot;a form of magic,&quot; not in the well-defined way D&amp;D uses the word &quot;magic.&quot; They're not mundane in the least, but I adamantly do not think &quot;magic&quot; describes what they do. Certainly the &quot;verbal/somatic/material&quot; concept doesn't remotely apply to them. I believe that &quot;magic&quot; is not exhaustive of the entire scope of activities beyond the mundane.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="EzekielRaiden, post: 6664663, member: 6790260"] Didn't I just say that? I [I]swear[/I] I said, admittedly as an edit to a post, "100% Mythical...0% Mystical." I did, though in another thread. Since you asked, though, here's what I wrote: "I also see plenty of reason to accommodate mythic figures like Cú Chulainn (or Conchobar mac Nessa if you want a non-demigod), Beowulf, Gilgamesh, Agamemnon, Odysseus, Sigurd, Sinbad, Samson, Ali-baba, Harun al-Rashid, Bharata, Karna, Liu Bei, Sun Wukong, and many others (ideally a more gender-mixed group--I suppose I should have added Atalanta, Scheherezade, Ruth, Rahab, Deborah, Scathach, Boudica, Joan of Arc, Wu Zetian, Hua Mulan, and a few more badass ladies.)" You'll note that I've intentionally chosen both real/historical figures and myth/legend figures (and some which, depending on your point of view, might be one or the other or even both). Also, although some of the people on the list are in some way "physically divine" (children of various European polytheistic deities, human avatars of Hindu deities), most of them are not. I don't see Gilgamesh or Hercules as using "a form of magic," not in the well-defined way D&D uses the word "magic." They're not mundane in the least, but I adamantly do not think "magic" describes what they do. Certainly the "verbal/somatic/material" concept doesn't remotely apply to them. I believe that "magic" is not exhaustive of the entire scope of activities beyond the mundane. [/QUOTE]

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