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<blockquote data-quote="tyrlaan" data-source="post: 6664668" data-attributes="member: 20998"><p>I can't stand the movie Gladiator, yet it was a massive hit and loved by the vast majority. This doesn't invalidate my criticisms of the flick; it just means the issues I have with it are either not seen by the majority or not a concern of the majority.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>I see what you're saying and almost agree. "Outlier" however is where I disagree. For those looking for more combat options for the fighter, precedents were set in 4e. For those looking for more <em>interesting</em> and <em>distinctive</em> non-combat options for the fighter, the expectation was set based on hype statements made by WotC. In both cases, I don't think it's too far of a leap to presume expectations were set and then not met, which would not, to me, mean they qualify as "outlier" expectations.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>While it is clearly true that a game cannot cater to everyone, I don't feel that alone invalidates criticism. To me, criticism is only invalid if it the criticism speaks to very unrealistic expectations, like wanting to be able to play a pineapple alchemist in 5e but the stupid game won't let me.</p><p></p><p></p><p>I feel it relevant to point out that criticism of a game does not mean the criticizer is saying the game is bad. It doesn't even mean the thing being criticized is necessarily being considered bad, just that someone sees room for improvement. </p><p></p><p>I say this because a lot of the counters to people complaining about the fighter feel like responses intended to defend the game as if it's under some sort of attack. It's just criticism folks.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="tyrlaan, post: 6664668, member: 20998"] I can't stand the movie Gladiator, yet it was a massive hit and loved by the vast majority. This doesn't invalidate my criticisms of the flick; it just means the issues I have with it are either not seen by the majority or not a concern of the majority. I see what you're saying and almost agree. "Outlier" however is where I disagree. For those looking for more combat options for the fighter, precedents were set in 4e. For those looking for more [i]interesting[/i] and [i]distinctive[/i] non-combat options for the fighter, the expectation was set based on hype statements made by WotC. In both cases, I don't think it's too far of a leap to presume expectations were set and then not met, which would not, to me, mean they qualify as "outlier" expectations. While it is clearly true that a game cannot cater to everyone, I don't feel that alone invalidates criticism. To me, criticism is only invalid if it the criticism speaks to very unrealistic expectations, like wanting to be able to play a pineapple alchemist in 5e but the stupid game won't let me. I feel it relevant to point out that criticism of a game does not mean the criticizer is saying the game is bad. It doesn't even mean the thing being criticized is necessarily being considered bad, just that someone sees room for improvement. I say this because a lot of the counters to people complaining about the fighter feel like responses intended to defend the game as if it's under some sort of attack. It's just criticism folks. [/QUOTE]
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