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<blockquote data-quote="Tony Vargas" data-source="post: 6664683" data-attributes="member: 996">Except that the Arcane Trickster more than covers it.&nbsp; (If you want him using magic from level 1, variant human and the right feat and/or Background, too).&nbsp; Really, if your concept calls for magic, D&amp;D has that part of it covered.&nbsp; The 5e Rogue might feel a little shy of the Mouser's swordsmanship, though, but then, that's a 'mundane' ability. &nbsp;Except when the Next playtest started the goal /was/ to be as inclusive as possible - and there's nothing impossible about providing a fighter and other martial classes with more balanced options, since it's actually been done.&nbsp;&nbsp; The real sticking point hasn't been what people want, but what people /don't want to let others have/.&nbsp; It's not about you getting what you want, it's about denying someone else.&nbsp; A fighter with more cool stuff or a warlord or martial controller wouldn't keep you from playing a caster or a Champion (or banning anything you didn't want in your campaign as a DM), it'd just be an option - at this late date an, obviously, an opt-in one not found in the Standard Game.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Tony Vargas, post: 6664683, member: 996"] Except that the Arcane Trickster more than covers it. (If you want him using magic from level 1, variant human and the right feat and/or Background, too). Really, if your concept calls for magic, D&D has that part of it covered. The 5e Rogue might feel a little shy of the Mouser's swordsmanship, though, but then, that's a 'mundane' ability. Except when the Next playtest started the goal /was/ to be as inclusive as possible - and there's nothing impossible about providing a fighter and other martial classes with more balanced options, since it's actually been done. The real sticking point hasn't been what people want, but what people /don't want to let others have/. It's not about you getting what you want, it's about denying someone else. A fighter with more cool stuff or a warlord or martial controller wouldn't keep you from playing a caster or a Champion (or banning anything you didn't want in your campaign as a DM), it'd just be an option - at this late date an, obviously, an opt-in one not found in the Standard Game. [/QUOTE]

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