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<blockquote data-quote="Sacrosanct" data-source="post: 6664832" data-attributes="member: 15700">Not exactly like the Mouser.&nbsp; He was as good in combat as Fafhrd.&nbsp; The arcane trickster isn't close.&nbsp; There's no way to recreate the Mouser exactly unless I want to tweak sublcasses on my own.&nbsp; Which I should be totally willing to do if the theme I want is an outlier.I'm not denying you anything, and the sooner you stop trying to present yourself as some sort of victim who is being treated unfairly, the better.&nbsp; The bottom line is that you only have so many pages you can put in a book, so they go with what the majority of gamers want, and give you tools to create that option you want that isn't included.Demanding and complaining that your outlier concept isn't part of the core rules screams of laziness and entitlement.&nbsp; Because you can do it.&nbsp; You just don't want to put in the effort to do so, but are more than willing to put in weeks, months, or even years complaining about it online.That's what I meant by needing to get over ourselves.&nbsp; We're not any more special than anyone else, and I certainly don't expect WoTC to devote the time/energy/and page count to something that only a few people would end up playing.&nbsp; Especially when they've given me the tools and guidance to do it myself.Also, I have no idea why some fans of 4e were expecting exact copies of classes in 5e.&nbsp; It was never implied or inferred that that would be the case.&nbsp; 5e pays homage and takes inspiration from every edition, but can't be exact due to the nature of it and the context of the conflicting natures between editions.&nbsp; The battlemaster fighter is as big of a nod to 4e as any other thing in 5e is to any other edition.&nbsp; Wanting a class in 5e to emulate exactly what the 4e fighter is, is like me complaining that 5e doesn't have a THAC0 option.&nbsp; If it's that important to you, stick with the game you like better.&nbsp; I promise I won't go to your house and put a gun to your head and force you to play 5e or burn you 4e stuff.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Sacrosanct, post: 6664832, member: 15700"] Not exactly like the Mouser. He was as good in combat as Fafhrd. The arcane trickster isn't close. There's no way to recreate the Mouser exactly unless I want to tweak sublcasses on my own. Which I should be totally willing to do if the theme I want is an outlier. I'm not denying you anything, and the sooner you stop trying to present yourself as some sort of victim who is being treated unfairly, the better. The bottom line is that you only have so many pages you can put in a book, so they go with what the majority of gamers want, and give you tools to create that option you want that isn't included. Demanding and complaining that your outlier concept isn't part of the core rules screams of laziness and entitlement. Because you [i]can[/i] do it. You just don't want to put in the effort to do so, but are more than willing to put in weeks, months, or even years complaining about it online. That's what I meant by needing to get over ourselves. We're not any more special than anyone else, and I certainly don't expect WoTC to devote the time/energy/and page count to something that only a few people would end up playing. [i]Especially[/i] when they've given me the tools and guidance to do it myself. Also, I have no idea why some fans of 4e were expecting exact copies of classes in 5e. It was never implied or inferred that that would be the case. 5e pays homage and takes inspiration from every edition, but can't be exact due to the nature of it and the context of the conflicting natures between editions. The battlemaster fighter is as big of a nod to 4e as any other thing in 5e is to any other edition. Wanting a class in 5e to emulate exactly what the 4e fighter is, is like me complaining that 5e doesn't have a THAC0 option. If it's that important to you, stick with the game you like better. I promise I won't go to your house and put a gun to your head and force you to play 5e or burn you 4e stuff. [/QUOTE]

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