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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Ashkelon" data-source="post: 6665615" data-attributes="member: 6774887">Outside of combat, the fighter can ONLY do what everyone else can also do (same access to feats, skills, backgrounds, etc).Every other class can do what the fighter can, but also has access to things that make them extraordinary outside of combat. Some classes have expertise, some have spells, some have invocations, some have shape-changing, some can walk on water and jump super far (Multiple times further than the fighter). Sure, the fighter can contribute to a non combat encounter but only at the bare minimum by which everyone else already could. Two PCs with the same attribute and proficiency are equally capable in non combat situations. But the one who can cast enhance ability giving him advantage on his rolls has a significant edge. The PC who has expertise or reliable talent has a significant edge. The PC who can cast a spell to bypass an otherwise deadly challenge with unsure results has the edge. Ultimately, there is nothing wrong with the fighter being the worst class when it comes to non combat utility. After all, some class had to be the worst at it. And being the worst doesn't mean you can't contribute. You can still contribute just fine. You will never be amazing at any particular non combat task, but you will perform well enough.  I just hope that when they make a more inspired martial class that it actually has some non combat capability above in beyond the baseline.Hell, I would even be fine with a variant fighter replacing second wind with this: Physical Expertise - double your proficiency bonus for any Strength (Athletics) check you make. You also gain proficiency with STR and CON checks.It is nice way to give the fighter variant a way to really shine when it comes to physical tasks. He will of course still be worse off than a rogue with both expertise and reliable talent, or a bard with expertise and enhance ability, but that is fine. The variant fighter doesn't need to be the best at physical related tasks. It would just be nice if he was better than the baseline.</blockquote>

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