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Message: <blockquote data-quote="I'm A Banana" data-source="post: 6666151" data-attributes="member: 2067">Yeah, that idea totally has legs. If I wanted to straight mimic crack the shell in terms of both daily-ness and effect, I might have something like...Crack the Shell: When you take the Attack action, you can spend your Action Surge to turn it into a Crack the Shell maneuver. This maneuver requires you to make one melee weapon attack. If you hit with the attack, double your weapon damage. Additionally, the creature hit by this maneuver takes 5 damage at the start of each of their turns, and has a -2 penalty to AC. At the end of their turn, a creature with this lingering effect can roll 1d20 - on a 10 or better, the effect ends. If you spend your Action Surge on this, you do not recover it on a short rest. ...it's a little awkward, and I'm not entirely sure what's happening in the fiction when a character is damaged or recovers ("oh, my broken armor is suddenly not broken anymore I guess even though I have done nothing to it!"), but the goal was mimicry, not coherence. <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile    :)"  data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" /> The fighter who burns this still has extra attacks and subclass abilities and whatnot to rely on - it just turns one of their encounter abilities into a daily ability. Though I'm not entirely convinced it's worth the cost (double damage in 5e isn't the nova it used to be. <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f609.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=";)" title="Wink    ;)"  data-smilie="2"data-shortname=";)" />), even there, and it's a LOT less flexible and efficient than just being a battlemaster and using trip attack with alchemist's fire four times in a round. <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile    :)"  data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" /> Which is really just to point out that a 5e fighter is different, but not lower performing. A direct port of Crack the Shell is kind of weak in 5e's context, despite being the most powerful thing a 5th-level 4e fighter is capable of. If you wanted an analogue of Crack the Shell in 5e that felt more native to 5e's assumptions, you'd have to do things like....<ul> <li data-xf-list-type="ul"> Because a fighter has multiple attacks and fights are faster overall, ongoing damage is less effective. Drop it. It's redundant at best and fiddly little tracking shenanigans at worst. </li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul"> -2 AC is irrelevant 90% of the time. Combined with the above point, we're better off using something like advantage. Because advantage is a spike in power, we should probably drop the duration somehow.</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul"> The saving throw serves a different purpose in 4e than in 5e. If we take the above point into consideration, we can offer advantage, say, until the creature's next turn. </li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul"> The extra damage either needs to be spiked higher so that it is WORTH spending a daily resource on, or we need to make it fit the short-reset or at-will nature of the existing resources. If we match it to existing resources, it probably won't quite be double, but it could be some bit of extra damage, done more often. </li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul"> Comparing our new Crack the Shell to existing effects in 5e, we see that an attack that deals extra damage and grants advantage on attacks is most similar to the existing Battlemaster maneuver Distracting Strike or possibly Trip Attack, maybe with a few fairly fiddly differences.</li> </ul>...but then that's clearly not satisfying for someone who wants 5eFighterDailies akin to all of 4e's glory, or we wouldn't even be having this conversation.....just curious to see the break-down here and find out where the psychology is firing different. <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile    :)"  data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" /></blockquote>

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