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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Mercurius" data-source="post: 8255068" data-attributes="member: 59082">I don't know why you are so focused on something that, A) no one is advocating for it being a good thing or an intrinsic part of the game or Dark Sun, and B) is such a tiny part of Dark Sun - and thus not even part of the fantasy game as a whole.Neither are dragons, undead, etc - they are literal within the context of the game. But that's not the point I was making. The point is that you cannot possibly make every single aspect of the game comfortable for every single possible player, not unless you completely sanitize it. And even if you want to make the default, general rules as comfortable as possible, why can't some worlds and/or stories play with darker, less comfortable material?Except if you want to offer a wide variety of settings, none of which are required by everyone to play. Look, I don't care about whether or not sex slavery is part of Dark Sun. What I care about is that WotC retains creative freedom, to offer a variety of settings and stories. I don't even particularly care for "edgy" or "grimdark" fantasy, but I do care that D&D is a game that can explore a variety of types of fantasy.See above. But this illustrates the type of conflation you are continuing to make, that [USER=6879661]@TheSword[/USER] pointed out: there's a huge difference between including torture instruments in the core rule book and muls. Not only are muls not always the result of sex slavery (as someone pointed out), they are one race in one of many settings. Again, it isn't important to me that Dark Sun includes sex slavery, but that WotC feels like they can publish a setting like Dark Sun that incorporates such elements.I addressed most of this in what I wrote, but you twisted it anyway. I realize that D&D isn't therapy, but you're missing my point, which is that experiencing uncomfortable things isn't always or inherently bad for you.And the consent part is a total red herring. No one is forcing anyone to play D&D, to play Dark Sun, or to play a mul - not to mention to play a mul that is the result of sex slavery.p.s. I don't want sex slavery in my game, either. I never bought the Book of Vile Darkness or the erotic fantasy one, nor have I ever played an evil character (except on a one-off, and I didn't like it).</blockquote>

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